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		<title>Cataclysm the Casual Way</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 23:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lathere</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[When Wrath of the Lich King was launched we did things very differently. Even if I had planned things in a similar fashion for Cataclysm I think I would have been thwarted for a number of reasons.]]></description>
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<p>It appears everyone around me has been mad keen for the Cataclysm release. Guildies are trying to level to 85 as quickly as possible, workmates took time off for the launch, my other half was determined to get realm first herbalist (which he did by the way) and my brother is aiming to make as much cash as he possibly could off the auction house.</p>
<p>And then there is Cass and I. Cass didn’t even bother to get a copy of Cataclysm on launch day and I only got it because my other half picked it up and installed it for me on his lunch break.<span id="more-5735"></span></p>
<p>When Wrath of the Lich King was launched we did things very differently. We lined up at the midnight launch at EB Games, installed the game and started questing that very night. We took time off work, had our talent trees worked out; gear sorted and a loose plan of how we were handling the leveling process. When we woke up after a couple of hours sleep the next morning we were already past the main leveling pack (after a dangerous trek north of Howling Fjord, cutting across Grizzly Hills and into Dragonblight) and a group of us were both questing and dungeon-ing the entire way to 80.</p>
<p>Even if I had planned things in a similar fashion for Cataclysm I think I would have been thwarted for a number of reasons. First off, this expansion was released at 6pm AEST right when workers were coming home and peak playtime for Oceanic servers. Secondly, the expansion came out a little later in the calendar year meaning the teenagers were running amok &#8211; damn those school holidays &#8211; with literally nothing better to do than fill up the servers and cause havoc.</p>
<p>When WoTLK was released if you weren’t at work you could easily get on with perhaps a 2 minute wait time during the day. The real queues started approximately 3:30pm when the school kids were arriving home. Cataclysm is released and when I get home at 6:30pm, I’m in for a good 2 hour wait for server access. Apparently the queues are no better during the day this time round with at least a queue of 2000 waiting to get in.</p>
<p>Since I know that I won&#8217;t be able to raid, at least until I’ve settled into a routine with bub, I was very keen to level at my own pace and relax. I have been in a questing mood and was looking forward to doing all the quests in the new areas, actually taking the time to read the quest information and seeing exactly Blizzard had designed for us. This didn’t really go to plan when I quickly realised after arriving at Mt Hyjal that for every 1 Alliance player questing, there were 100 Horde. Quests that took me 5 minutes on the Beta&#8230; I couldn’t even find a spawned mob for to kill! I gave up and walked away to make some dinner hoping it would quiet down after an hour break.</p>
<p>I came back and while still busy I could go through the quests with less hassles. I did occasional get ganked for absolutely no reason other than I happened to be on my own: a poor lonely Alliance player in the middle of a Horde playground. The biggest problem being: if one Horde decided to go you, another 10 within the vicinity would decide to lend a helping hand as well. 277 gear and healing spec still just doesn’t cut it against that many opposing players.</p>
<p>All in all things was going well until it was time for me to go <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/quest=25617/into-the-maw">Into the Maw</a>. There were no more than 10 alliance players in here and the second last quest objective, <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/quest=25599">Cindermaul</a>, was being camped out by at least 200 Horde players. I tried being patient. The Alliance tried sticking together but it was all for naught. At a 2 minute res timer I gave up and hearthed to Nordrassil ready to call it quits for the night. I was only about 60% into level 80 and my mood was not improved when I turned around and found out that my other half was only just trailing behind me in XP from doing Archaeology and hadn’t experienced a single run in with my mortal enemy: the Horde teenager.</p>
<p>Things got better at Nordrassil where I picked up a quest that took me straight to the final leveling hub for the Hyjal area. While there were still quite a few players around, I had made it past the main leveling pack and did this zone without any problems at all. I even ended the night on a high note by getting a neat little vanity pet from the flying jousting quests. I will happily admit I really sucked at flying and jousting all in one!</p>
<p>I’ve decided based on my experiences that doing leveling the casual way is just like raiding the casual way &#8211; horribly inefficient and for the main part much more frustrating. I’m starting to think that if raiding is going to be out of the question for me in this expansion, that a move to a PVE server is looking more and more likely. Or alternatively I might just give in and go Horde and join the teenage crowd. You all know the saying, if you can’t beat em, join em!</p>
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		<title>Must Have&#8230; Xeppe (and about DeZire and Vitare)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 23:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Cassandri</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you haven't been reading An Ordinary Priest you might not know it but Xeppe has turned from a white bar into a dark blue one: these days she's playing a Restoration Shaman. And it just so happens that my guild, Vitare, is being very open-minded about our roster for Cataclysm. And there's definitely room for a Restoration Shaman.]]></description>
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<p>Xeppe (author of the excellent blog <a href="http://xeppe5678.wordpress.com/">An Ordinary Priest</a>) and I have a strange history.</p>
<p>I actually found Xeppe&#8217;s blog through a link via another link from someone else&#8217;s blog. I was amazed to discover that she was not just a fellow Priest, or a fellow Oceanic Priest, or even a fellow Barthilas player &#8211; Barthilian?, or even another girl WoW player. No. Xeppe was all those things, but even more interestingly, she was a brand new recruit in my guild&#8217;s shady splinter guild: DeZire.</p>
<p>Talk about good gossip!</p>
<p>You see, back around the time my guild was first struggling with the new Icecrown Citadel hard modes two distinct, but major events occurred within our ranks. Firstly, we recruited a third Mage to join our two existing Mages (the existing pair of boys happened to be very good friends and had gamed together for years and I think, perhaps, even knew each other well outside the game). The third Mage, I&#8217;m sorry to say, was a piece of work. She was one of those people who help perpetuate the <a href="http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/07/29/archetypes-of-a-guild-the-guild-princess/">girls-are-trouble-and-don&#8217;t-belong-in-serious-raid-teams stereotypes</a>.</p>
<p>In those days we made a fundamental mistake. One that your guild is probably making right now:</p>
<p>We put our pure caster DPS in Group 3.<span id="more-5650"></span></p>
<p>Do not do this. For the love of god, do not do this. It was pure happenstance that one week I also found myself in Group 3 (perhaps I had logged on extremely early and sniped one of the first slots). And by the time we had killed Heroic Blood Princes party chat had dissolved into a pretty serious argument between New Mage and I over the <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/item=50719">Shadow Silk Spindle</a>. New Mage made a snarky comment when one of our Restoration Druids (not Lathere, by the way) outbid everyone else and won the Heroic Shadow Silk Spindle. It was the first one our raid had seen, and yes, coveted by all the casters.</p>
<p>New Mage felt that the item should be for DPS casters only. Because any serious raider would know that there is a <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/item=50635">Spirit offhand</a> waiting to be had from Heroic Sindragosa, and that is better for Restoration Druids, and the Resto Druid that won the Shadow Silk Spindle was outting themselves for being unprepared and ignorant of their class.</p>
<p>I think she was surprised that I was so angry with her. I think she was really just directing her complaint towards the other two Mages in the party, and both agreed with her, and never intended for me to see the conversation. I&#8217;d certainly never seen her say anything like that in Guild or Raid chat before.</p>
<p>I have no patience for players who claim to know what other classes should or shouldn&#8217;t be equipping (especially when it&#8217;s to argue that someone doesn&#8217;t deserve the item you want &#8211; talk about biased!). And furthermore our loot system is set up to be as open as possible and we make no concessions for best in slot or class by class comparisons. It&#8217;s not a Loot Council. Far from it. You bid on what you want. And if you want it that bad be prepared to spend a lot.</p>
<p>We got into another argument about a week later, also in Party Chat, but I can&#8217;t remember what it was about. By then I had mentally labeled her as a Troublemaker with a capital T. Over the next few weeks our other two Mages became more and more discontent with our raiding and were quite vocal about it. They were fast to post DPS meters when one of the Mages had hit the #1 spot, and very defensive of each-other if anyone dared point out a mistake that one of them had made.</p>
<p>At the same time one of the core founding members of the guild, a Rogue, was also becoming unhappy with our raiding. He was angry when we struggled to get numbers, angry when he felt the officers weren&#8217;t recruiting properly. He was angry at our raid leading, angry at our mistakes. He eventually left to join a more progressed guild and I, like most of the guild, was both sad and relieved.</p>
<p>Anyway, to make a long story short, our unhappy Rogue decided to come back and give our guild, and his old friends still in the guild, another go. He chafed under the rules even more than before. Throw that into the mix with our 3 discontent Mages and it was a pretty miserable time to be raiding with Vitare. <a href="http://www.hotsdots.com/2010/03/too-many-cooks/">I blogged about it here</a>.</p>
<p>To make a very long story short, during a tough night wiping on Professor Putricide, our Raid Leader decided to penalise one of our Mages (who had been topping the DPS meters) for doing something silly: getting hit by <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/spell=72458">Malleable Goo</a> or something. Within a few minutes all three Mages had left the raid and left the guild. While it was completely expected, and in fact the officers had over-recruited caster DPS just for that reason, it was still a pretty uncomfortable moment for the guild. Probably the most drama we&#8217;d seen in two or three years.</p>
<p>Not long after, perhaps a week or two later, our unhappy Rogue also called it quits. This time he decided to head up a brand new 25 man raiding guild on Barthilas, clearing the same content, with the same hours, same start time, same everything as our guild. DeZire started with 1 Rogue and 3 Mages. They took raiding applicants that we declined. They welcomed raiders who decided they didn&#8217;t like us enough to stay after their trial period (we can&#8217;t be everyone&#8217;s cup of tea, I suppose). And they built themselves up to a formidable and successful raiding guild, eventually surpassing us on the server progression tables if not by content cleared, but by the speed that they were able to clear it.</p>
<p>So imagine my surprise when I started reading An Ordinary Priest and all the drama of their new 25 man raiding guild is there to see written in between the lines of a young Discipline Priest second guessing herself during her raiding trial. It starts <a href="http://xeppe5678.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/ups-and-downs/">here</a>, and gets <a href="http://xeppe5678.wordpress.com/2010/05/25/xeppe-the-kingslayer/">better</a>, and <a href="http://xeppe5678.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/the-raiding-bug/">even better here</a> and ends <a href="http://xeppe5678.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/now-what/">here</a>.</p>
<p>Xeppe and I got to talking both on her blog and also in game &#8211; after all, we were on the same server raiding the same content at the same time. We had many online friends in common, and I had met a few of her raid team in real life so I had my own impressions and stories to tell.</p>
<p>Unfortunately Xeppe didn&#8217;t have a very good time of it in her Barthilas guild. I started thinking of ways to get her into Vitare. I knew she would fit right in, and while her guild and mine were identical in raid times, gear and progression, the personalities and attitudes which drive both guilds are as different as night and day.</p>
<p>As much as I would have liked to sponsor an application to my guild from Xeppe the timing was all wrong. We had a full roster of Priests and our Raid Leader leader is a Discipline Priest. And she was of the opinion that Discipline Priests don&#8217;t stack well.  Tack on our two excellent and long term Holy Priests and there was just no reason, other than pure favoritism, to welcome another healing Priest to the team.</p>
<p>I was dismayed to hear that Xeppe had burned out and left Barthilas, forever associating hardcore raiding, 25 mans, and progression raiding with that bad experience in DeZire.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t been reading An Ordinary Priest you might not know it but Xeppe has turned from a white bar into a dark blue one: these days she&#8217;s playing a Restoration Shaman. And it just so happens that my guild, Vitare, is being very open-minded about our roster for Cataclysm. And there&#8217;s definitely room for a Restoration Shaman.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s room for Xeppe. If only I could convince her!</p>
<p>Natassia, a Rogue in my guild, played with Xeppe when they were both in DeZire, Xeppe&#8217;s old Barthilas guild. <a href="http://xeppe5678.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/what-makes-a-click/#comments">She chimed in on Xeppe&#8217;s blog</a> to add support to my Must Recruit Xeppe Plan of Attack. Our Raid Leader has been reading An Ordinary Priest on and off for almost a year. Our Recruitment Officer is keen for Xeppe to join too.</p>
<p>And if you need further proof of how much we want you to join, Xeppe, here it is!</p>
<div id="attachment_5652" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 510px"><a href="http://www.hotsdots.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/NatassiaWantsXeppe.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-5652   " title="Natassia and Cassandri Discuss Plans to Recruit Xeppe" src="http://www.hotsdots.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/NatassiaWantsXeppe.jpg" alt="Natassia and Cassandri Discuss Plans to Recruit Xeppe" width="500" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Plan: How to Recruit Xeppe</p></div>
<p>My hopes for Vitare in Cataclysm are thus: to hash over our experiences in game online here at HoTs &amp; DoTs (written by yours truly and if you&#8217;re lucky you might get some mad ramblings from Lathere), our guild&#8217;s anti-gnomes Warlock over at <a href="http://emberstorm.wordpress.com/">Emberstorm</a> (written by Velidra) and our future guild&#8217;s <a href="http://xeppe5678.wordpress.com/">Absolutely Unique Shaman</a> (that would be Xeppe)!</p>
<p>ps. These days it is a firm rule in Vitare that Mages are never placed in the same party within a raid and are, instead, almost always separated among Groups 2-4.</p>
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		<title>Sliding Doors</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Cassandri</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The night we first stepped foot in Ulduar I /gquit. I'll admit, it was a spur of the moment type thing. Not raiding at all seemed preferable to sticking around (yes, it was that bad). Lathere and 2 raiding friends of ours quit too. Do you have your own World of Warcraft sliding doors moment? One decision, or a twist of fate that lead you in a completely new direction?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_2485" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 510px"><a href="http://www.hotsdots.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Obsolete.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-2485 " title="Cassandri and Obsolete" src="http://www.hotsdots.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Obsolete.jpg" alt="Do you ever wonder what might have been?" width="500" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Do you ever wonder what might have been?</p></div>
<p>Vok, who plays on the same realm as us, ranted about Priests in <a href="http://www.unrealrealities.com/2009/10/keeping-dps-alive-since-ssc.html">his Healing Q&amp;A</a>. Obviously he&#8217;s played with some terrible Priests this expansion, none of which, it seems, can remember to click <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=48162">Fortitude</a>. Or perhaps none that can afford candles.</p>
<p>But Vok doesn&#8217;t realise how close he came to raiding with <em>me</em>.</p>
<p>When Lathere and I needed a new guild at the start of Wrath we came as a linked pair. A buy one, get one free type deal (I think Lath was the one they were buying and I was the freebie). We joined a raiding guild called Defiance &#8211; a step up for us, or so we thought. Some of our other friends followed us and we were happy to have them with us.</p>
<p>But I wasn&#8217;t happy in Defiance from day 1. I argued endlessly for reform. Their DKP rules were grossly unfair to newcomers and favoured officers and long term players (even ones who I&#8217;d never even raided with). And the prospect of winning cloth armor seemed hopeless. There were no rules to protect us from leather/mail/plate wearers and the raid was lousy with Warlocks, Mages and Priests. I won more gear from PuGs than I did from guild runs.</p>
<p>The night we first stepped foot in Ulduar I gquit. <span id="more-2466"></span>I&#8217;ll admit, it was a spur of the moment type thing. Yes, it was that bad. And Ulduar wasn&#8217;t as forgiving as Naxxramas. Lathere and 2 raiding friends of ours quit too.</p>
<p>We had no other guilds lined up. We were un-guilded. And we were a four package deal: me, Lathere, a Resto Shaman and a DK. And the guild that we just left? Hated my guts.</p>
<p>Remember how I said quitting was spur of the moment decision? Well the next day Lathere called me and gave me the older sister sensible speech which boils down to &#8220;how could you be so reckless? look at what you&#8217;ve done!&#8221;. While I had been ranting about unfair DKP rules and awarding loot to players who <em>consistently disconnect for entire encounters,</em> Lathere had been planning a more sensible exit strategy.</p>
<p>We both try to keep in touch with the nice people that we&#8217;ve raided with over years no matter where they go and it&#8217;s fair to say that there&#8217;s someone in most of the serious 25 man raiding guilds on Barthilas that we have some history with. Perhaps you could even go far enough to say &#8220;we have friends in high places&#8221;. Nah, that is going too far.</p>
<p>But Lath and I got talking and we soon realised there was really only a couple of guilds that we wanted to be part of.</p>
<p>One of those guilds had stolen two of my favourite people from me: a Hunter by the name of Stardown (back in the days of BC) and a Shaman by the name of Rumbrb (at the very start of Wrath). Stardown was Obsolete&#8217;s Hunter class lead and an officer. And he definitely deserved the position. If I wanted to wind down after a raid I would just ask Stardown a Huntery question, or use the words &#8220;Attack Power&#8221; in his presence, and the steady stream of numbers would put me right to sleep.</p>
<p>The other guild had coughed up an (alt) Protection Warrior who tanked with us in the Burning Crusade. He had managed to steal my best friend away from me in-game. For at least six months all I ever heard was &#8220;Caco and I are doing x instance&#8221; and &#8220;sorry Caco just invited me to do something&#8221;. Tanks and their healers. What can you do? Anyway I figured if Maria liked him, he must be alright. Caco returned his alt to his raiding guild, Vitare, in Wrath and became an officer.</p>
<p>And do you know, while I&#8217;m writing this, I just realised they have the exact same first name in real life? I&#8217;ll give you a hint&#8230; it starts with the letter m.</p>
<p>There were actually two other potential guilds that we considered less seriously:</p>
<p>One guild had pinched another one of my favourite people, a Mage. I still remember the first conversation I had with Majesty on-flight to Tempest Keep. And it still makes me smile. Unfortunately the guild he joined in Wrath, Exiztence, also contained the most annoying player (and a Priest! for shame!) on the server. Plus they seemed like tight-asses. So they were out.</p>
<p>The last guild we considered, Annexation, had grabbed up quite a few (at least five, I think) of our players at the start of Wrath just at the time when we were desperately trying to get consistent numbers for 25 man raids. I&#8217;ve always thought of them as poaching our players. So they were out, too.</p>
<p>So I logged in the day after we /gquit and Caco, from Vitare, whispered me within minutes:</p>
<p>&#8220;So I heard you left Defiance&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Stardown, from Obsolete, didn&#8217;t log in until an hour later. He offered us a place in their next guild raid and a standing invitation to join Obsolete. But by then I was already somewhat committed to our (at the time not yet written) Vitare application. I politely refused his offer to raid with them because I didn&#8217;t want to be saved in case Vitare wanted to bring me to a trial raid that same week.</p>
<p>So we joined Vitare. And we&#8217;re still there.</p>
<p>Annexxation disbanded. All our friends/guild members who left us for Annexation are now in another guild altogether. They&#8217;re doing quite well.</p>
<p>Exiztence very nearly disbanded. Or disbanded and reformed. It&#8217;s hard to tell. A chunk of their raiding team left to start their own, extremely successful, guild. Several of their members, including my friend Maj, changed factions and joined a successful Horde guild on Barthilas. I&#8217;m still a bit sad that I can&#8217;t chat with him anymore.</p>
<p>Obsolete have had a rocky time of it, too. They had their GM step down. At one point it looked as though they were going to stop running 25 mans altogether. And it seemed as though they were forever recruiting a decent Priest (which explains Vok&#8217;s hatred towards Priests). My friend Stardown stopped playing WoW while we were all still in our Trial period with Vitare. My friend Rumbrb no longer raids 25 mans and raids 10 mans instead with some of the original Obsolete raiders.</p>
<p>And Vitare? Doing better than I had ever hoped.</p>
<p>But I can&#8217;t help but think how different it could have turned out. If Caco hadn&#8217;t been online when I logged in that day and it had been Stardown who asked first? We would have joined Obsolete, I&#8217;m sure of it.</p>
<p>Do you have your own World of Warcraft sliding doors moment? One decision, or a twist of fate that lead you in a completely new direction?</p>
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		<title>Bloodlust Lag, The Guild Killer</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lathere</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[Raiding]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Barthilas]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bloodlust]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[On Sunday night while Vitare was bashing their heads against Heroic Northern Beasts, we got some pretty shocking news. One of the top Alliance guilds on the server was disbanding. These were the players chasing the leading Alliance guild for fastest progression on the realm.]]></description>
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<div id="attachment_1615" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 510px"><a href="http://www.hotsdots.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Zombie-Event.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-1615" title="Zombie-Event" src="http://www.hotsdots.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Zombie-Event.jpg" alt="When a guild disbands: It's not pretty." width="500" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">When a guild disbands: It&#39;s not pretty.</p></div>
<p>On Sunday night while Vitare was bashing their heads against Heroic Northern Beasts, we got some pretty shocking news. The #2 Alliance guild on the server was disbanding. These were the players chasing the leading Alliance guild for fastest progression on the realm &#8211; and sometimes winning.</p>
<p>I normally take this kind of stuff with a grain of salt, but seeing I have some friends in this guild, I thought I would try and find out what was happening. It didn’t take long for confirmation to come through – the GM and 2 officers were quitting the game. This had left them short of their GM, Main and Off Tank, cornerstones of a stable raiding guild, so things were looking pretty shaky.</p>
<p>This is not the first Barthilas guild that has fallen since patch 3.2 either. Another Alliance guild that consistently ranked in the top 5 on the server changed their goals and pace from “hardcore” to “semi-hardcore”.</p>
<p>I think the reason for these disbands all stem from the <a href="http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19820512368&amp;sid=1&amp;pageNo=1">completely unreasonable and terrible server instability</a> raiders are experiencing on Barthilas since Trial of the Crusader was released. <span id="more-1573"></span></p>
<h2>Disconnects and Demoralised Raiders</h2>
<p>It took us 30 attempts this raid lockout to get Heroic Northrend Beasts. We tried perhaps 20 attempts the week past before giving up and returning to Ulduar.</p>
<p>Each attempt we had at least 1 (more often than not up to 5) players disconnect during the first phase of the encounter. After the third disconnect, people started being replaced. When you&#8217;ve played with these same people for months and never seen them disconnect before, at some point you can&#8217;t keep blaming their ISPs (or as our GM always claims, their low &#8220;upload speed&#8221;).</p>
<p>Disconnecting frequently or <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZW38aujH7U">experiencing 5 second casts times for your instant spells</a> <em>only</em> inside Trial of the Crusader is <em>not</em> normal. At some point you realise the problem is bigger than yourself and your raid and, whatever it is, it&#8217;s at Blizzard’s end.</p>
<p>When it comes to heroic modes, you need everyone to be performing their best. When 3 people are dead before phase 1 finishes because they lag or DC during fire or a Snobold drops on them, you have next to no chance at completing the encounter. Just losing 1 DPS temporarily to a disconnect will set you behind the enrage time.</p>
<p>Disconnects and lag impacted a good 90% of our attempts.</p>
<p>We found that the lag spikes occurred in both phase 1 and phase 2 for Northern Beasts. The biggest problem with this was that healers couldn’t reactively heal <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=67479">Impale</a> and we experienced plenty of tank deaths.</p>
<h2>Progression Cycles</h2>
<p>While Vitare chose to persevere, I have mates in other guilds who have instead elected to work only on Ulduar Hard Modes because wiping due to lag is simply too frustrating.</p>
<p>I think Vitare probably shocked quite a few guilds by downing Heroic Northern Beasts &#8211; this pushed us into the top 5 guilds of the server. We are lucky, Cass and I joined after quite a few of their core players left/stopped raiding with the release of Ulduar. The healing team was in tatters. And many other raiders were trials during those early Ulduar weeks.</p>
<p>Sure, this probably slowed down our Ulduar progression, but now for Trial of the Crusader our core group of players (especially the tanks and healers) are strong, experienced at working together and we are determined. If there were players or officers feeling the slightest bit &#8220;over it&#8221; or negative I&#8217;m sure things would have gone very differently in the Trial of Crusader.</p>
<p>A guild will have lows and highs, progress quickly then hit a roadblock or suddenly struggle for numbers. Be confident that you will pull through it. And if you have a dedicated officer team, agree on what your goals are, chances are, you will pull through.</p>
<h2>The Last Straw</h2>
<p>The guilds that have disbanded on Barthilas in the last couple weeks were used to competing for server firsts. They were the hardcore of the hardcore. The type of players that you would invite to a PuG run of anything and they would (usually silently) kick ass and pull out some weird tricks on a boss fight.</p>
<p>How can you manage a serious attempt at a boss when your long term raiders keep disconnecting? You know your players have the skill, but you are forced to remove them from the raid because they do more harm than good if they disconnect.</p>
<p>Do you recruit more players? Do you keep only those whose connection seems to cope better than others? How do you evaluate their skill when everyone is affected by lag and are performing worse than usual? What if Blizzard fix the server-side issues tomorrow?</p>
<p>At the end of the day, the current server lag issues are outside of our control. Until they are fixed I expect that many guilds with players of great skill will see little progression. And the officers of those guilds will have to perform a difficult juggling act to keep their raiders happy. I can completely understand how, at some points, the urge to quit becomes incredibly strong.</p>
<h2>The Fall Out</h2>
<p>Vitare are recruiting at the moment. As with any major content release the officers have been evaluating who stuck around when things got boring in the previous patch, and who <em>didn&#8217;t</em>.</p>
<p>Many of our new recruits will not make it through their trial period. And not because they are bad players. Because they disconnect.</p>
<p>I expect we&#8217;ll see an influx of applications from members these guilds who have disbanded. But I don&#8217;t quite think Vitare raids with the same mindset or intensity as these other guilds did. Many a raider has been kicked from the guild for what essentially boils down to loyalty (or lack thereof) and many an applicant has been turned down for questionable behavior in their previous guilds/realm.</p>
<p>I hope to see a new &#8220;hardcore&#8221; guild or two start up in their place on the server. There ought to be a stepping stone in skill and dedication between us and #1. Or am I just arguing that there are degrees of &#8220;hardcore&#8221;?</p>
<p>I hope that Barthilas guilds don&#8217;t server hop to try and find a more stable raiding platform, there is already such a select pool of players and guilds to choose from at the progression end. I hope Blizzard fix whatever is causing the problem/s before it gets to that point.</p>
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		<title>Post 3.2 Disillusionment</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/08/post-3-2-disillusionment/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 03:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Cassandri</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This isn't about hardcore vs casual. It isn't about elitism or exclusiveness. It's about challenge and reward and, even more importantly, timing. This is a rant, reader beware.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post isn&#8217;t about hardcore vs casual. It isn&#8217;t about elitism or exclusiveness. It&#8217;s about challenge and reward and, even more importantly, timing. This post is a rant, reader beware.</p>
<p>Lathere and I came somewhat late to the raiding game in Burning Crusade, dipping our toes into <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?zone=2562">Karazhan</a> several months later than the serious raiding guilds on Barthilas. We were pretty noob. We wiped, oh man, we wiped. But, in our casual two-nights-a-week way, we understood we would be forever playing catch-up, and we didn&#8217;t mind. We kept raiding and trying to kill bosses at our level.</p>
<div id="attachment_943" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 292px"><img class="size-full wp-image-943" title="Dungeon and Raid Currency" src="http://www.hotsdots.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Picture-6.png" alt="The new Badge of Justice, Emblems." width="282" height="110" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Greater rewards for more difficult challenges? Nah.</p></div>
<p>At the near end of the Burning Crusade, Blizzard created a ton of purchasable items for players using <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29434">Badges of Justice</a>, the precursor to Emblems, in order to bring newcomers and recently turned level 70s up to Tier 6 item stats (the items were equivalent in stat level &#8211; not actual Tier armor pieces) and therefore have a chance to participate in <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?zone=3606">Mount Hyjal</a> and <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?zone=3959">Black Temple</a> raiding. They also removed the <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10445">attunements</a> so you didn&#8217;t have to complete the Tier 5 raids &#8211; a significant challenge on its own.</p>
<p>Well at the time I can tell you that I was absolutely a &#8220;casual&#8221; player. And I ran Karazhan over and over again for Badges in order to upgrade my gear. Did it push us to do Tier 6 raiding as a guild? Not really. All we did was spend more and more time collecting badges.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?zone=4075">Sunwell Plateau</a>, the final raid instance of the expansion, was released at the same time as all this new Badge gear. I knew that I would never be skilled, geared and committed enough to enter Sunwell Plateau. Guilds who cleared Black Temple each week impressed the heck out of me. But I thought, if we could just get a bit better and wipe less, maybe one day we&#8217;d be good enough a group to gain entry into those raid zones.</p>
<p>Let me repeat, when the rest of us were clawing our way to Tier 6 equivalent items, the leading guilds were given a shiny new raid zone <em>with depth</em> to experience. We&#8217;re not talking just one or two bosses here completed in a hour or two.</p>
<p>When Wrath of the Lich King was released it only included one Tier level, Tier 7, implemented in the game. Naxxramas, whilst having a ton of bosses, was simply too easy/quick to complete. Obsidian Sanctum and Eye of Eternity are both really really short &#8211; 1 boss. You could do the three combined within a few raid nights per week.</p>
<p>Ulduar has satisfied me as a raider (and as a semi-serious raider at that). The early fights are easier than the last bosses. There are unusual challenges along the way. The instance itself is a good length to clear in the space of a lockout week once you&#8217;ve downed each boss. Friends who have beaten some of the <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=3187">tricky hardmodes</a> earn my respect.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been in Ulduar for about 4 months. In that time our casual friends from Burning Crusade have talked about doing 10 Ulduar on and off but it never seems to happen. Doesn&#8217;t really surprise me, because they tend to organise events on the spur of the moment based on who&#8217;s online. You could have 8 people ready to go and then one person will change their mind and say they&#8217;re going to log off to watch some TV.</p>
<p>In comes Patch 3.2. Theoretically I knew that <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45624">Emblems of Conquest</a> were going to be made freely available, instead of limited to Ulduar bosses, but the reality is much more disturbing than I thought. Two points of view:</p>
<h2>Option A &#8211; Miss Dedicated</h2>
<ul>
<li>&#8220;Experience&#8221; Ulduar as soon as it is released</li>
<li>Attend as many of your guild raids as possible and be patient when you wipe. Make time to do 10 mans as well because Emblems of Conquest drop there too and it takes weeks to get enough Emblems for a Tier armor token.</li>
<li>Consider splashing out gold to get <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45087">Runed Orbs</a> to upgrade your belt and boots&#8230; nah too expensive</li>
<li>After 4 months be content with your gear &#8211; it&#8217;s not the hardmode stuff, but it&#8217;s good, and sprinkled with Naxx 25 items anyway</li>
</ul>
<h2>Option B &#8211; Mr Patient</h2>
<ul>
<li>Know that eventually you and some mates will go check out Ulduar when you&#8217;re ready</li>
<li>Run raids when you feel like it, DC when you&#8217;ve had enough</li>
<li>Consider splashing out gold to get <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45087">Runed Orbs</a> to upgrade your belt and boots&#8230; nah too expensive</li>
<li>Hope you&#8217;ll get lucky and get the BiS Naxx stuff &#8211; <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40395">Torch of Holy Fire</a> ftw!</li>
</ul>
<div id="attachment_947" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 310px"><img class="size-full wp-image-947" title="Meet Miss Dedicated and Mr Patient" src="http://www.hotsdots.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/missdedicatedmrpatient.png" alt="Four months of Ulduar. If only WoW were a fashion parade..." width="300" /><p class="wp-caption-text">After four months. If only WoW were a fashion parade...</p></div>
<p>Now, 4 months later, all Mr Patient has to do is run alot of heroic instances (something he finds pretty darn easy) and he too can get Ulduar equivalent gear and three pieces of Tier 8.5 armor. If he got those BiS Naxx/OS/EoE stuff, well his gear models might not match as prettily as someone wearing 5/5 Conquerors, but the stats will be as good.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not being stereotypical here. Mr Patient is my brother. I live with him. When I&#8217;m up 4 nights a week to dutifully complete my raids and not leave before raid&#8217;s over, he&#8217;s watching TV. On the weekends he&#8217;ll make an effort and PuG Naxx, but after a couple wings he&#8217;ll DC and take a break. In the last few days he has earnt more Emblems of Triumph than I, does daily dungeons while I raid, and has already gotten his Tier 8.5 helm.</p>
<p>He has been running the new dungeon &#8211; the 5 man Trial of the Champion &#8211; on normal and heroic and has picked up several great epics including the <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47216">tanking one</a> that my guild&#8217;s main tank &#8211; <em>in full Ulduar gear</em> &#8211; is desperate for. Even I swapped out <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40374">Cosmic Lights</a> for a new <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47562">neckpiece</a> from the heroic for my healing set. <em>And the heroic wasn&#8217;t hard.</em></p>
<p><strong>It&#8217;s as simple as this. You can&#8217;t compare the difficulty of Ulduar and Heroics and give out the same rewards.</strong></p>
<p>This is a complete turn around from Blizzard&#8217;s stance at the launch of Wrath of the Lich King. When it was announced that each raid instance would be tuned for 10 man group (normal) and 25 man groups (heroic) they made it clear that the item level of dropped loot would be different, just as the Emblems would be different. And the rewards would be commensurate.</p>
<p>People are not jumping from Tier 4 to Tier 6 here. They&#8217;re going from the easiest, entry level raid (Naxx &#8211; Tier 7) to the next tier of gear (Ulduar &#8211; Tier 8). Is this the way of the future? Wiping the slate clean with each new patch?</p>
<p><em>Has nothing been learned from the <a href="http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/06/taking-time-off-from-naxx/">Badges of Justice days</a>?<br />
</em></p>
<p>So my brother, Mr Patient, can close the gear gap now. That&#8217;s true. Is it going to open up &#8220;doors&#8221; for him and allow him to experience Ulduar and other end-game raids? Nope. He&#8217;ll just keep running heroics and Naxx 10. Why not?</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be so disappointed by this if it weren&#8217;t for the new raid instance: <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?zone=4723">Trial of the Crusader</a>. We&#8217;re being given 1 new boss per week. And if that doesn&#8217;t satisfy you, you can&#8217;t try it on Heroic mode until you&#8217;ve cleared the whole place on Normal. The Northrend Beasts encounter was fun. But it took up 1 hour of our time. Then we headed back to Ulduar, uncertain if it was worth pursuing Ulduar hardmodes at all. Trial of the Crusader is where our next Tier upgrades are after all.</p>
<p>So, other than <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=32871">Algalon</a>, I&#8217;m pretty confident that I&#8217;ve experienced all the end game bosses available in Wrath. Yet I have nothing left to strive for. Blizzard can dream up a new boss and drip-feed it to us each week in the Trial of the Crusader and until they believe it&#8217;s gone on long enough. And then they can open up Heroic mode.</p>
<p>In the days of Burning Crusade I knew it was my skill that held me back. Now there is no boss/raid to anticipate and strive towards implemented in the game, Blizzard will give it to us when they&#8217;re ready, not when we are.</p>
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