Comments on: Normal, Heroic and Slightly More Heroic

By: Carlos Edward

Carlos Edward — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:05:59 +0000

I haven’t done this fight before’? Yes, there will be idiots who have no patience, and don’t want to waste time telling you the tactics, but those same sort of people are going to react badly, thanks for the post.
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By: Mitchell

Mitchell — Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:01:57 +0000

You are wrong. If you want to argue from original intent, Blizzard built this tool (LFD) to be used by all players. If you don’t like the players in LFD, then you should gtfo. Cass is a player, and Cass is in the right to be able to expect to use the tool provided for her by Blizzard.

If you only want smooth no-wipe runs, then get your raid team to run them with you without LFD. If you queue via LFD, then you are agreeing to whomever Blizzard decides to put into your group. Put on your big-boy pants and deal.

By: AliPally

AliPally — Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:05:23 +0000

My biggest bug-bear in heroics (apart from rude people, of course!) is that players who don’t know the boss fights don’t say so.
Why are people so scared of saying ‘I haven’t done this fight before’? Yes, there will be idiots who have no patience, and don’t want to waste time telling you the tactics, but those same sort of people are going to react badly to you if you cause a wipe anyway, so what harm in pointing it out? Anyone reasonable should accomodate you; anyone unreasonable, well you are probably better off finding some friendlier people to pug with anyway.

By: Ethan "Aestu" Farber

Ethan "Aestu" Farber — Sun, 16 Oct 2011 13:50:44 +0000

The question should really be asked: what, materially, did deleting the post get you?

If it did not, materially, get you anything, then you should ask why you felt compelled to do it.

People will resist hearing what they do not like to hear, precisely because it is the truth of the matter. You blamed others in the group, but you’re resistant to receiving an alternative interpretation to the effect that you two were to blame.

Why?

By: SirFWALGMan

SirFWALGMan — Fri, 14 Oct 2011 19:30:57 +0000

““I’m sorry Blizzard is forcing you to run heroics you’re overgeared for for points, but I’m doing them, not for the points, but because I’m doing them at the gear level they’re designed for so that I can get upgrades.” this.

I think ANYONE after running the same Heroic 9999 times for that last piece of gear is gonna be a little annoyed. I always enjoy getting fun groups though. They are out there. I had a group and we wiped the last boss because of my healer not casting dispels.. but we were laughing and joking through the whole thing and had a good time.

I also ran a bunch of runs with some friends for the achievement for like heroic dungeon master of cata or something stupid like that and we had a great time.. I even tanked some of it with my under-geared tank.

Attitude makes such a difference.. and I do not think your wrong to be pissed at these nubs that are all GOGOGOGO faster faster faster! It makes the game totally not fun.

By: Ethan "Aestu" Farber

Ethan "Aestu" Farber — Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:30:44 +0000

Comment deleted due to personal attacks and trolling nature of the post.
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By: Evlyxx

Evlyxx — Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:30:59 +0000

The issue you described pre-dates Cataclysm, I believe that the issue has been in the game for a long time. I rarely PvP because quite frankly I suck and see very similar behaviour from a small minority of the players in the battlegrounds and I think it is probably this section of the community that has polluted the PvE side of the game as well especially when the Dungeon Finder made it as easy to get into a 5 man as it is to get into BGs and gave rise to what I have dubbed the “gogogo” player type who thinks that their amazing gear makes them:

a) Better than you;
b) An expert on WoW;
c) Unworthy of helping lesser mortals;

In reality these tend to be:
a) impatient asses;
b) from guilds that either don’t raid or are not well progressed;
c) looking for an easy ride to their VP;
d) DPS as they don’t want the responsibility of tanking or healing;

My main is a healer, I play many alts and all are well geared (enough for “Random Zs) but my ability with them varies. I play in a casual social guild with players of all abilities and gear levels and I know that not all are experts on dungeons, I like to invest time in people who are less knowledgeable about things than I am. My life experience has proven that time spent now is always less than overall time lost by not doing so. This ethos works even if you don’t expect to encounter your pupil again as you’ll hopefully educate them to assist others and you never know if the next person you meet that doesn’t need help was someone indirectly influenced by your earlier efforts.

But for the “gogogo” types I have little patience and while I rarely vote kick people it is these players that I use the feature as I find they tend to be destroying the fun of the game for myself and other group members. When tanking for these types I have a particularly devious way of dealing with them, when they repeatedly say “gogogo” I respond “OK, I’ll go, have fun.”, /wave and leave the group.

By: Suss

Suss — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:00:47 +0000

Naaru is probably the best choice, but I don’t think it will matter. I try to be a nice person but for every player like you who’s capable, there are at least a dozen who just can’t rub their stomachs and pat their heads at the same time; they’re skill-capped. Unfortunately, the community has learned that it is far more efficient to badger, cajole, and humiliate the bad players in the hope of keeping them from queuing in the future. MMO players always find the most efficient path, and in the Cataclysm world, it’s much more efficient to badmouth than it is to teach.

I think the expectation today is to watch videos of dungeon fights before going queuing.

By: NickH

NickH — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:21:03 +0000

Don’t worry about it. There are so many assholes in dungeons these days I struggle regularly to PUG. In fact one of my guildies flat out refuses to PUG because of these idiots. I myself pretty much refuse to PUG the troll dungeons. And generally I don’t really run dungeons unless it’s with guildies. My main is a healer so I have gone through all kinds of crazy groups and pretty much experienced the blunt end of many bad attitudes. But I try not to let myself lower to their level and if it really is too bad to stay then I /leave. Stick with it though. There are good people out there. Obviously reading up on fights does help too but the fact that people have a go at you when you ask for help is just unacceptable. I have recently started running hc dungeons as a new rogue and the switch I have had to go through from healer to melee basically means learning some of these fights over again. So I can really feel your pain.

By: Theanorak

Theanorak — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 04:23:07 +0000

But this can be easily reversed:

If you don’t want to run heroics (or any kind of content) with people who don’t know it already — whether that’s because you don’t want to explain the fights, you don’t want to wipe or because you want the quickest possible route to the VP cap — then **you** should only run with members of your guild.

When you queue for a random dungeon you’re implicitly agreeing to take whoever you get: maxed-out raiders looking for a quck dungeon to cap VP for the week; experienced players looking to gear up an alt; first-timers who might never have seen this difficulty level before, or who might not have visited this instance previously. If you don’t like the group you’re in, you can of course drop out, but that’s on you.
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