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By: Swivelhips

Swivelhips — Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:14:03 +0000

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“Are there any Shadow Priest abilities that base their damage upon a different DoT, like Conflagrate?”

Yes, works in a slightly different way, but you will see an increase in Improved Devouring Plague damage as you gain haste. This can be easily seen on a fight where you gain a substantial haste buff such as Sinestra.

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By: Cassandri

Cassandri — Sun, 12 Dec 2010 00:03:11 +0000

I don’t think it’s as easy as saying getting Haste to 39% (or some other percent) is more important than stacking any other stat. As you pointed out we still benefit very nicely from Critical Strike and we can’t afford to ignore Spirit either (for our hit chance).

And Mastery is another puzzle altogether.

It’s going to be about finding that balance – which is good because the game of itemisation is much more fun when it’s not an easy answer! – between our stats. Hopefully this post will help you ensure you’re not just 1 Haste Rating away from getting another free tick, though.

By: Mand

Mand — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:31:19 +0000

So, provided that the Elitist Jerks post on what percentages guarantee an additional tick on our respective DoT”s, couldn’t we assume a soft haste cap of ~32%, since striving for any of the next haste “sweet spots”, the lowest one at ~42%, seems if not impossible really implausible? We still have crit and now mastery to try to get the most out of, and unless itemization is extremely kind to us – placing dps stats on gear with spirit – also hit rating. Mind Flay may continue to benefit from additional haste, however, ALL of our spells will benefit from stacking up more crit including MB, MS, and SW:D all of which could really be said don’t benefit immensely from haste, especially SW:D which doesn’t benefit at all. Our DoT spells would also benefit more from mastery rating after this point providing we’re striving for as close to 100% uptime on empowered shadow as possible. So, even assuming we could get to 39% haste, would that really be beneficial?

By: Cassandri

Cassandri — Wed, 08 Dec 2010 05:42:36 +0000

No, our DoTs are tied to our direct damage casts (Shadow Word: Pain ups the damage of our Mind Flay and releasing our Mastery with a Mind Blast boosts our DoT damage) but no one DoT improves the damage of another.

At least, I don’t think they’ve added that in Cataclysm! There are a few mistakes with the article – things that have changed with Cataclysm that I missed – which just prove that there is a lot still to learn. My baseline 5% Haste naked isn’t really 5% at all: we also have talents which boost our Haste % beyond the 5% from Shadowform/Mind Quickening.

We also don’t have any DoTs that get more powerful as they tick through – like Curse of Agony (Bane of Agony now?) or even Living Bomb.

By: Dharmabhum

Dharmabhum — Tue, 07 Dec 2010 18:43:44 +0000

Awesome post! Very clearly laid out and explained, and the illustrations only make it easier to intuit what you’re saying. Bookmarked!

By: Cynwise

Cynwise — Tue, 07 Dec 2010 16:10:48 +0000

I’m really glad you’re looking at the Shadow Priest DoTs, Cass. It’s interesting how ForteXorcist spaces out the ticks, but how they aren’t entirely accurate. The default UI is also not accurate – the tooltip of the DoT reports the interval incorrectly, based on your current Haste levels instead of the cast time Haste (which determines the haste for the duration of the DoT).

The only way to really be sure about intervals and ticking is to watch the combat log, which is a total hassle. I found it helpful to just look at the timing and figure that I should refresh any dot at < 2 seconds as a rule of thumb. (My Haste just ain't that high.)

Are there any Shadow Priest abilities that base their damage upon a different DoT, like Conflagrate?
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