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		<title>By: Gabriellus</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2010/09/getting-our-balance/comment-page-1/#comment-4161</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriellus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 03:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can remember what it used to be like trying to find instance groups, that in the end I just never bothered with it while i was leveling most of my toons.

It wasn&#039;t until TBC and i swapped my druid&#039;s spec to feral and decided to give tanking ago, and i was hooked. With a good group i found tanking to be rather relaxing, far more than healing and more involved than standing up the back nuking away on my Warlock (yes they do exist :P). 

Since starting out with the start of TBC, ive now rolled 4 tanks and actively group on all of them, getting to know the tanking world from every possible aspect, and i would throughly encourage everyone to have atleast one tank. If for nothing more than knowing what it feels like to have than annoying dps in the group who aggros the entire run :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can remember what it used to be like trying to find instance groups, that in the end I just never bothered with it while i was leveling most of my toons.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t until TBC and i swapped my druid&#8217;s spec to feral and decided to give tanking ago, and i was hooked. With a good group i found tanking to be rather relaxing, far more than healing and more involved than standing up the back nuking away on my Warlock (yes they do exist <img src='http://www.hotsdots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> ). </p>
<p>Since starting out with the start of TBC, ive now rolled 4 tanks and actively group on all of them, getting to know the tanking world from every possible aspect, and i would throughly encourage everyone to have atleast one tank. If for nothing more than knowing what it feels like to have than annoying dps in the group who aggros the entire run <img src='http://www.hotsdots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: WP Themes</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2010/09/getting-our-balance/comment-page-1/#comment-4156</link>
		<dc:creator>WP Themes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Genial brief and this fill someone in on helped me alot in my college assignement. Gratefulness you for your information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Genial brief and this fill someone in on helped me alot in my college assignement. Gratefulness you for your information.</p>
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		<title>By: Dyre42</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2010/09/getting-our-balance/comment-page-1/#comment-4100</link>
		<dc:creator>Dyre42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I&#039;m leveling a shammy atm I solve the dps pulling for the tank problem by throttling back healing on them when they do it.  Then leaving them at low health after we&#039;ve downed the mobs.  They either figure out the pattern or complain to which I respond,&quot;I don&#039;t heal tank wannabes. If you want to do the pulling then roll a tank.&quot; . 99.99% of them to date have behaved after that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I&#8217;m leveling a shammy atm I solve the dps pulling for the tank problem by throttling back healing on them when they do it.  Then leaving them at low health after we&#8217;ve downed the mobs.  They either figure out the pattern or complain to which I respond,&#8221;I don&#8217;t heal tank wannabes. If you want to do the pulling then roll a tank.&#8221; . 99.99% of them to date have behaved after that.</p>
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		<title>By: coup</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2010/09/getting-our-balance/comment-page-1/#comment-4085</link>
		<dc:creator>coup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 16:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just leveled a druid to 80 mostly through lfd but switch to questing around 55-58 and 65-68 just because que was getting longer to find and the quality of players was just terible.  i qued as tank/healer/dps til outlands where i found i was put as healer ,bad healers couldnt keep me up or the frustration of dps/healers pulling for me drove me nutz.  the good news is i found i love healing as a druid and may make him my main in cata</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just leveled a druid to 80 mostly through lfd but switch to questing around 55-58 and 65-68 just because que was getting longer to find and the quality of players was just terible.  i qued as tank/healer/dps til outlands where i found i was put as healer ,bad healers couldnt keep me up or the frustration of dps/healers pulling for me drove me nutz.  the good news is i found i love healing as a druid and may make him my main in cata</p>
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		<title>By: Apple</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2010/09/getting-our-balance/comment-page-1/#comment-4083</link>
		<dc:creator>Apple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are luckier than I.  I&#039;ve been levelling &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; Pally as a healer, all through instances, and... well, let&#039;s just say I quickly learned why so many healers are grumpy and disillusioned.

I myself am only mildly grumpy and not at all disillusioned, but I can see how many people would be.  The way healers get treated throughout a good chunk of the levelling experience, especially by those type A tanks and their DPS buddies, is just &lt;i&gt;horrific&lt;/i&gt;.

For some reason smashing your face into things gets you at least grudging respect, but keeping people alive gets you nothing but trouble.  *shrug*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are luckier than I.  I&#8217;ve been levelling <i>my</i> Pally as a healer, all through instances, and&#8230; well, let&#8217;s just say I quickly learned why so many healers are grumpy and disillusioned.</p>
<p>I myself am only mildly grumpy and not at all disillusioned, but I can see how many people would be.  The way healers get treated throughout a good chunk of the levelling experience, especially by those type A tanks and their DPS buddies, is just <i>horrific</i>.</p>
<p>For some reason smashing your face into things gets you at least grudging respect, but keeping people alive gets you nothing but trouble.  *shrug*<br />
<span class="cluv">Apple&#8217;s last post: <a class="44bebf9d27 4083" rel="nofollow" href="http://azerothapple.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/one-day-ulduar-and-other-updates/">One day- Ulduar! and other updates</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Redbeard</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2010/09/getting-our-balance/comment-page-1/#comment-4082</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I joke to others that I sweet-talked my way to Outland Dungeonmaster. But the truth is, I’ve never been treated so nicely by my PuG teammates.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, with your Aussie accent, sweet talking will work quite well with a lot of American guys I know.  ;-)

Seriously, though, I&#039;m debating whether to experience the later BC content at the correct level or just jump to Northrend on my alts.  My current plan is that it depends on the alt.  The one I&#039;m leveling solo on Ysera I&#039;ll probably jump to Northrend with, while the ones I&#039;m leveling with others I&#039;ll probably roll with the consensus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I joke to others that I sweet-talked my way to Outland Dungeonmaster. But the truth is, I’ve never been treated so nicely by my PuG teammates.</i></p>
<p>Well, with your Aussie accent, sweet talking will work quite well with a lot of American guys I know.  <img src='http://www.hotsdots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously, though, I&#8217;m debating whether to experience the later BC content at the correct level or just jump to Northrend on my alts.  My current plan is that it depends on the alt.  The one I&#8217;m leveling solo on Ysera I&#8217;ll probably jump to Northrend with, while the ones I&#8217;m leveling with others I&#8217;ll probably roll with the consensus.<br />
<span class="cluv">Redbeard&#8217;s last post: <a class="2f08e41b75 4082" rel="nofollow" href="http://parallelcontext.blogspot.com/2010/09/finding-place-to-call-home.html">Finding a place to call home</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Redbeard</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2010/09/getting-our-balance/comment-page-1/#comment-4081</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 10:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think part of the reason it’s hard to find tanks in the intermediate levels is that people can be so awful to them. The ones who remain tend to be power-hungry, Type A personalities with rabies, the kind willing to lay down the law and ignore the endless parade of failure that arises from impatient dps who pull for you, healers wearing dps gear, and what Vidyala calls “pug diffusion,” that general tendency of people in low-level dungeon-finder groups to just kind of take off and do their own thing without regard for the rest of the group.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes.  This.

I ran the first Mauradon instance yesterday with the same tank about three times.  He wasn&#039;t a bad tank at all, but he had to constantly grab threat from DPS who started trash pulls.  After a while, that just drove me nuts.  If it wasn&#039;t for us wanting to finish the runs in a reasonable amount of time, I&#039;m pretty sure the tank would have just let the DPS die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think part of the reason it’s hard to find tanks in the intermediate levels is that people can be so awful to them. The ones who remain tend to be power-hungry, Type A personalities with rabies, the kind willing to lay down the law and ignore the endless parade of failure that arises from impatient dps who pull for you, healers wearing dps gear, and what Vidyala calls “pug diffusion,” that general tendency of people in low-level dungeon-finder groups to just kind of take off and do their own thing without regard for the rest of the group.</i></p>
<p>Yes.  This.</p>
<p>I ran the first Mauradon instance yesterday with the same tank about three times.  He wasn&#8217;t a bad tank at all, but he had to constantly grab threat from DPS who started trash pulls.  After a while, that just drove me nuts.  If it wasn&#8217;t for us wanting to finish the runs in a reasonable amount of time, I&#8217;m pretty sure the tank would have just let the DPS die.<br />
<span class="cluv">Redbeard&#8217;s last post: <a class="9c3e47cbd9 4081" rel="nofollow" href="http://parallelcontext.blogspot.com/2010/09/finding-place-to-call-home.html">Finding a place to call home</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Manbearcat</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2010/09/getting-our-balance/comment-page-1/#comment-4080</link>
		<dc:creator>Manbearcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 06:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It can also be a rather rewarding experience. I recently levelled my pally, which had been sitting at lvl 16 for a year, as prot. It was pretty much tho most fun levelling short of my enhance shammy that I&#039;ve had. And that was using about 80% dungeon finder groups for my xp. If you&#039;re a good tank and show it, usually people will either work with you or at least keep their mouths shut. I believe I only had 2-3 noteworthy bad experiences out of the entire grind. Fingers crossed the maturity level in wow rises even more in future</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can also be a rather rewarding experience. I recently levelled my pally, which had been sitting at lvl 16 for a year, as prot. It was pretty much tho most fun levelling short of my enhance shammy that I&#8217;ve had. And that was using about 80% dungeon finder groups for my xp. If you&#8217;re a good tank and show it, usually people will either work with you or at least keep their mouths shut. I believe I only had 2-3 noteworthy bad experiences out of the entire grind. Fingers crossed the maturity level in wow rises even more in future</p>
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		<title>By: Lathere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lathere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 06:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmmm maybe I should hold off and buying dual spec for my warlock if thats the case!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmmm maybe I should hold off and buying dual spec for my warlock if thats the case!</p>
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		<title>By: Lara</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2010/09/getting-our-balance/comment-page-1/#comment-4074</link>
		<dc:creator>Lara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 03:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think part of the reason it&#039;s hard to find tanks in the intermediate levels is that people can be so awful to them. The ones who remain tend to be power-hungry, Type A personalities with rabies, the kind willing to lay down the law and ignore the endless parade of failure that arises from impatient dps who pull for you, healers wearing dps gear, and what Vidyala calls &quot;pug diffusion,&quot; that general tendency of people in low-level dungeon-finder groups to just kind of take off and do their own thing without regard for the rest of the group.

As far as I can tell, the only reason the balance shifts in Outland is because of the Death Knight Plague. Hellfire Peninsula is swarming with poorly-played Death Knights, but at least some of them imagine themselves to be tanks enough to queue that way. Some of them can do it; most can&#039;t. My desire to queue as a healer for those instances quickly waned, especially given how quick and painless the questing is now that they&#039;ve buffed the experience from levels 60-68.

I hope you&#039;re right about the balance in the future, but I admit I&#039;m skeptical. When Wrath first came out, I found there was no shortage of tanks for the instances in Northrend; the shortage came later, once that early cohort of guilded tanks had reached 80 and stopped running with people outside their guilds. As you say, the Dungeon Finder helped, but tanking for pugged Heroics can be a thankless and unpleasant task at times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think part of the reason it&#8217;s hard to find tanks in the intermediate levels is that people can be so awful to them. The ones who remain tend to be power-hungry, Type A personalities with rabies, the kind willing to lay down the law and ignore the endless parade of failure that arises from impatient dps who pull for you, healers wearing dps gear, and what Vidyala calls &#8220;pug diffusion,&#8221; that general tendency of people in low-level dungeon-finder groups to just kind of take off and do their own thing without regard for the rest of the group.</p>
<p>As far as I can tell, the only reason the balance shifts in Outland is because of the Death Knight Plague. Hellfire Peninsula is swarming with poorly-played Death Knights, but at least some of them imagine themselves to be tanks enough to queue that way. Some of them can do it; most can&#8217;t. My desire to queue as a healer for those instances quickly waned, especially given how quick and painless the questing is now that they&#8217;ve buffed the experience from levels 60-68.</p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;re right about the balance in the future, but I admit I&#8217;m skeptical. When Wrath first came out, I found there was no shortage of tanks for the instances in Northrend; the shortage came later, once that early cohort of guilded tanks had reached 80 and stopped running with people outside their guilds. As you say, the Dungeon Finder helped, but tanking for pugged Heroics can be a thankless and unpleasant task at times.<br />
<span class="cluv">Lara&#8217;s last post: <a class="e813432f24 4074" rel="nofollow" href="http://rootbranch.wordpress.com/2010/09/07/be-prepared/">Be Prepared</a></span></p>
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