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		<title>By: Tam</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2010/07/raid-leading-and-cues/comment-page-1/#comment-3397</link>
		<dc:creator>Tam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really great post - I think the problem with things like management positions and the like is that the people who *want* to do them because it gives them some sense of personal validation are the people least suited to them.  I mean you can&#039;t heathily derive validation from interacting with people in that kind of way, at least I would argue not.  So the best people to take jobs like RL and GL and so on are people who don&#039;t really want to, as such ... which leads to its own set of problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really great post &#8211; I think the problem with things like management positions and the like is that the people who *want* to do them because it gives them some sense of personal validation are the people least suited to them.  I mean you can&#8217;t heathily derive validation from interacting with people in that kind of way, at least I would argue not.  So the best people to take jobs like RL and GL and so on are people who don&#8217;t really want to, as such &#8230; which leads to its own set of problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandri</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2010/07/raid-leading-and-cues/comment-page-1/#comment-3376</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 03:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, I know the least about tanking. And more importantly, the least about how encounters are tanked in ICC. Give me a brand new tank who has no experience in tanking those encounters and I don&#039;t think I could help them at all.

Not to worry, I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;m not going to take on the role of Raid Leader. Our Disc Priest has stepped up to do that. And man, she is strict! (which I love!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, I know the least about tanking. And more importantly, the least about how encounters are tanked in ICC. Give me a brand new tank who has no experience in tanking those encounters and I don&#8217;t think I could help them at all.</p>
<p>Not to worry, I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;m not going to take on the role of Raid Leader. Our Disc Priest has stepped up to do that. And man, she is strict! (which I love!)</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandri</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2010/07/raid-leading-and-cues/comment-page-1/#comment-3375</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 03:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never had any problem bossing people around :) Part of why I think my old workplace wanted to groom me for management is because I seem to have the knack of disagreeing with people, or telling them they&#039;re doing something wrong, with diplomacy.

Although I think I did kind of misstep one night... I was trying to say &quot;if you get hit by malleable goo, or get targetted by the green slime standing not in melee range OR at max range then it means that you never really did normal mode Putricide correctly. Which means that you were carried&quot;. People perked up when they heard me use the insult &quot;carried&quot; and got a bit defensive.

I was still right damn it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never had any problem bossing people around <img src='http://www.hotsdots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Part of why I think my old workplace wanted to groom me for management is because I seem to have the knack of disagreeing with people, or telling them they&#8217;re doing something wrong, with diplomacy.</p>
<p>Although I think I did kind of misstep one night&#8230; I was trying to say &#8220;if you get hit by malleable goo, or get targetted by the green slime standing not in melee range OR at max range then it means that you never really did normal mode Putricide correctly. Which means that you were carried&#8221;. People perked up when they heard me use the insult &#8220;carried&#8221; and got a bit defensive.</p>
<p>I was still right damn it!</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandri</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2010/07/raid-leading-and-cues/comment-page-1/#comment-3374</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 03:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s the original &quot;how can you be good at something and not enjoy it?&quot; dilemma :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s the original &#8220;how can you be good at something and not enjoy it?&#8221; dilemma <img src='http://www.hotsdots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Cassandri</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2010/07/raid-leading-and-cues/comment-page-1/#comment-3373</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 03:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t really go into it in the article but we actually have 3 people calling out cues mid-combat. I tend not to watch melee timers and thinks like boss health (so important for phase transitions!) so we now have a Ret Pally, myself and a tank calling out different cues. I really believe that having 3 different voices to listen out to makes a big difference. Ranged DPS/DPS know to listen to my calls, Tank/Heals tend to listen to our Feral tank&#039;s cues and melee know to pay attention when our Ret Pally speaks up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t really go into it in the article but we actually have 3 people calling out cues mid-combat. I tend not to watch melee timers and thinks like boss health (so important for phase transitions!) so we now have a Ret Pally, myself and a tank calling out different cues. I really believe that having 3 different voices to listen out to makes a big difference. Ranged DPS/DPS know to listen to my calls, Tank/Heals tend to listen to our Feral tank&#8217;s cues and melee know to pay attention when our Ret Pally speaks up.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandri</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2010/07/raid-leading-and-cues/comment-page-1/#comment-3372</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 03:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the moment one of our healers is Raid Leading ... or doing most of the leading out of combat. Because they&#039;re also doing healing assignments I feel that the healing team is sometimes not as focused/planned as they could be when we had one Officer *just* organising the healing team.

I think you might be right that the key is delegating. And what jobs that fall under the &quot;raid leading&quot; header will vary based on who the raid leader is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the moment one of our healers is Raid Leading &#8230; or doing most of the leading out of combat. Because they&#8217;re also doing healing assignments I feel that the healing team is sometimes not as focused/planned as they could be when we had one Officer *just* organising the healing team.</p>
<p>I think you might be right that the key is delegating. And what jobs that fall under the &#8220;raid leading&#8221; header will vary based on who the raid leader is.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandri</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2010/07/raid-leading-and-cues/comment-page-1/#comment-3371</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 03:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure that, when you come back, you can recruit someone to be your main assist Papa. Nobody can really do it all at once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure that, when you come back, you can recruit someone to be your main assist Papa. Nobody can really do it all at once.</p>
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		<title>By: PapaNasty</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2010/07/raid-leading-and-cues/comment-page-1/#comment-3366</link>
		<dc:creator>PapaNasty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>imo your post a week or so ago, which refered to another blog which was talking about groupthink and fish was 100% on the button.

People know what to do, and when to do it, they sometimes just need someone to help them be a bit more decisive (And to keep them out of the tunnel.)

Raidleading is mainly about ensuring that all our ships are sailing in the same direction, so just ensuring that a good idea has the &quot;official&quot; go ahead, and that control is kept.

That control is why, and I feel a bit stink sometimes when I do it, I sometimes squash ideas which are different to the strategy we&#039;re trying (Even tho I might swap to their strat 2 or 3 wipes later lol).  Since everyone needs to be 100% focused on one strat, not going off in different directions because they saw x video doing it differently.

Keeping everyone together is about moral too, positive thinking can be infectious at times, but negative thinking is like cancer, if you don&#039;t stop it early, it never really goes away.

Most stuff is shared out to officers / senior raiders though, I know there&#039;s not much (Other than mentioned above), which I actually do.  Usually someone else comes up with the bright ideas, I&#039;m just the one who announces them on vent lol.

Assignments / Subbing off waitlist / dkp / loot are all the parts of leading which are the most work imo, and usually I don&#039;t do any of them lol.

(Grrr I had it soo sweet when Cubby always did dkp + loot + waitlist subs, somehow when I came back, I ended up sometimes doing all 3!!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>imo your post a week or so ago, which refered to another blog which was talking about groupthink and fish was 100% on the button.</p>
<p>People know what to do, and when to do it, they sometimes just need someone to help them be a bit more decisive (And to keep them out of the tunnel.)</p>
<p>Raidleading is mainly about ensuring that all our ships are sailing in the same direction, so just ensuring that a good idea has the &#8220;official&#8221; go ahead, and that control is kept.</p>
<p>That control is why, and I feel a bit stink sometimes when I do it, I sometimes squash ideas which are different to the strategy we&#8217;re trying (Even tho I might swap to their strat 2 or 3 wipes later lol).  Since everyone needs to be 100% focused on one strat, not going off in different directions because they saw x video doing it differently.</p>
<p>Keeping everyone together is about moral too, positive thinking can be infectious at times, but negative thinking is like cancer, if you don&#8217;t stop it early, it never really goes away.</p>
<p>Most stuff is shared out to officers / senior raiders though, I know there&#8217;s not much (Other than mentioned above), which I actually do.  Usually someone else comes up with the bright ideas, I&#8217;m just the one who announces them on vent lol.</p>
<p>Assignments / Subbing off waitlist / dkp / loot are all the parts of leading which are the most work imo, and usually I don&#8217;t do any of them lol.</p>
<p>(Grrr I had it soo sweet when Cubby always did dkp + loot + waitlist subs, somehow when I came back, I ended up sometimes doing all 3!!).</p>
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		<title>By: Dyre42</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2010/07/raid-leading-and-cues/comment-page-1/#comment-3361</link>
		<dc:creator>Dyre42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 20:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m both a GM and a Raid Leader. Although I pretty much got both positions by default. I find that delegating helps a lot. Fight explanations for example are given by a very concise/blunt ret pally. If we need to pug someone we have a warlock with an extremely extensive friends list. I take care of  healing assignments, loot, announce pulls, and figure out the cause of wipes.

We have a group that has zero tolerance for drama so it makes the job pretty easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m both a GM and a Raid Leader. Although I pretty much got both positions by default. I find that delegating helps a lot. Fight explanations for example are given by a very concise/blunt ret pally. If we need to pug someone we have a warlock with an extremely extensive friends list. I take care of  healing assignments, loot, announce pulls, and figure out the cause of wipes.</p>
<p>We have a group that has zero tolerance for drama so it makes the job pretty easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Domni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Domni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 16:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoughtful post!

Communication is important during an encounter. It can be stressful as well. If you don&#039;t think that you want to be the full-time raid leader, never underestimate how important it can be to have a &quot;raid-leading assistant.&quot; A second person who calls out those cues during an encounter alleviates a lot of pressure on the raid leader--who is likely covering three other administrative tasks while performing their own role in the encounter.

I divvy up cues during each encounter because I know I can&#039;t handle every detail on my own. It also helps to have two distinct voices on, say, Rotface. We have one voice call out slimesprays and one voice call out the infection. It helps prevent people from tuning out and missing the cue (and keeps the person calling out from becoming overwhelmed).

I think I&#039;m going to write up a series on the basics of raid leading, particularly for PuGs. There are some very easy things that people don&#039;t know to take care of if they&#039;ve never led a raid before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughtful post!</p>
<p>Communication is important during an encounter. It can be stressful as well. If you don&#8217;t think that you want to be the full-time raid leader, never underestimate how important it can be to have a &#8220;raid-leading assistant.&#8221; A second person who calls out those cues during an encounter alleviates a lot of pressure on the raid leader&#8211;who is likely covering three other administrative tasks while performing their own role in the encounter.</p>
<p>I divvy up cues during each encounter because I know I can&#8217;t handle every detail on my own. It also helps to have two distinct voices on, say, Rotface. We have one voice call out slimesprays and one voice call out the infection. It helps prevent people from tuning out and missing the cue (and keeps the person calling out from becoming overwhelmed).</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m going to write up a series on the basics of raid leading, particularly for PuGs. There are some very easy things that people don&#8217;t know to take care of if they&#8217;ve never led a raid before.<br />
<span class="cluv">Domni&#8217;s last post: <a class="a80db7d679 3358" rel="nofollow" href="http://soulwarding.wordpress.com/2010/07/07/blizzard-and-facebook/">Blizzard and Facebook</a></span></p>
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