Comments on: Too Many Cooks

By: Must Have… Xeppe (and about DeZire and Vitare)

Must Have… Xeppe (and about DeZire and Vitare) — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 23:34:06 +0000

[...] Anyway, to make a long story short, our unhappy Rogue decided to come back and give our guild, and his old friends still in the guild, another go. He chafed under the rules even more than before. Throw that into the mix with our 3 discontent Mages and it was a pretty miserable time to be raiding with Vitare. I blogged about it here. [...]

By: Cassandri

Cassandri — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:27:41 +0000

@Matticus I’m not an officer, so I think I’d have to be careful not to cross the line there. But Lathere… maybe. Thanks for the tip!

By: Matticus

Matticus — Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:38:26 +0000

I used to have issues like this before in the past. The solution and policy I instituted was to whisper observations to the appropriate player (Healers whisper the top healing guy, melee to the melee lead, ranged to the ranged lead, and the officers would just filter from those). We can’t afford to have vocal clutter throughout the encounter especially during tense/delicate situations.

But, I’d also implore players to use the forums. Every night, I’d create a thread with combat logs on World of Logs or WoW Meter, write out my thoughts for the evening on what worked, what didn’t, and where we could make changes. Everyone was invited to reply and post things from their own perspectives.

If you’ve got the ability, try giving that a shot and see how it works out. Not guaranteed but it may bring order to chaos.
.-= Matticus’s last blog … How To Win Epics And Influence People =-.

By: Clickityclop

Clickityclop — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:08:50 +0000

I second Typhus. I like to know what’s happening in guild from a different perspective .

By: Typhus

Typhus — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:46:15 +0000

Lath i would still be interested in reading these 2 other blog posts that are obsolete

By: Lathere

Lathere — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 01:36:40 +0000

@Max – I love it! Dr Raid Love it could be a whole blog idea – people write in with their raid problems and Dr Raid Love helps them out

Yes, there are definitely bigger issues then what Cass covers in this blog article. Mostly this surrounded a group of “problem” raiders who were bringing things down for the whole team. Thankfully this will no longer be an issue because 3 out of the 4 or 5 problem people left last night and we had already recruited in advance to cover it It’s amazing how much happier I am as an officer now this has cleared and I really feel that the remainder raiders seemed to perk up as well.

Sadly though it means that 2 of the posts I have written and not yet published are kinda obsolete now and I have to come up with new stuff!

By: max

max — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:33:01 +0000

It seems from your post that you have a bigger issue than just a lot of people talking on vent, and that is that some of your raid members don’t trust the raid leader. For most people that issue is simply solved by time, but if you have raid members who are raid leaders themselves in other raids, the wait and see approach may not be enough.

The positive side is that you have highly experienced people who what to “do something” to see the raid succeed. The flip side is exactly the same, with the added problem being that any time your raid leader makes a mistake (as we all do) these members may view it as validating that mistrust and their own general attitude.

As with most things, this will most likely be resolved with communication, though that may involve communicating that this type of behavior is ultimately detrimental to the success of the raid as a whole (as well as everyone’s enjoyment of the raid). As Click noted, many people just don’t want to even listen to vent when that type of thing is going on, myself included. I also think gnome is dead on with his comments.

My wife referred to this comment as “Dr. Raid Love”.

By: Vok

Vok — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:00:11 +0000

It’s a fine line, being open and receptive to your raiders and getting the job done. I find people often try to reinvent the wheel, when all you need to do is keep doing what your doing, only better.

There is no real answer to the problem that I can see. Telling them to all just zip it means you’ll never get another good idea, going with everything every raider suggests means never killing anything.

Rock Hard place
.-= Vok’s last blog … Stupid Things =-.

By: Clickityclop

Clickityclop — Tue, 02 Mar 2010 08:05:18 +0000

I have to agree Cass, but after I decided to shut up I also found it a lot harder to even listen to vent any more because they were arguing about the same points over and over. In the end I just gave up trying to listen, and also gave up dpsing in p2, since anywhere in range of boss meant someone would run towards me, imo not dying is still better dps than stopping dps for one phase. I was sad I had to give up my favourite position near the from because someonw thought it’d be a good idea to get all the ranged to run completely across the room tho the stairs .

By: Gnomeaggedon

Gnomeaggedon — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:21:57 +0000

PS: Even if you don’t agree with the instruction.

The “Cass go left” instruction might not sit right with you but is your raid leader is good, they will have already heard and incorporated the suggested changes that fit best.

I can’t count the number of times went have spent swapping strats only to have one more go at Plan A (with everyone on board) only to finally succeed.
.-= Gnomeaggedon’s last blog … Bye Jong! =-.