Comments on: Profiteering and the Value of Gear http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/profiteering-and-the-value-of-gear/ A Restoration Druid and Shadow Priest Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:07:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Chun Crelia http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/profiteering-and-the-value-of-gear/comment-page-1/#comment-19385 Chun Crelia Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:39:52 +0000 http://www.hotsdots.com/?p=3185#comment-19385 Here's hoping there's a a load more top-notch supplies coming! Here’s hoping there’s a a load more top-notch supplies coming!

]]> By: Back to TK, SSC and Mount Hyjal http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/profiteering-and-the-value-of-gear/comment-page-1/#comment-4714 Back to TK, SSC and Mount Hyjal Mon, 29 Nov 2010 03:16:13 +0000 http://www.hotsdots.com/?p=3185#comment-4714 [...] that I’ve ever joined has stolen my tier pieces from me. Often by ninjas. Or greedy players who want to profit, or simply vendor a tier token belonging to some other class. But that’s another [...] [...] that I’ve ever joined has stolen my tier pieces from me. Often by ninjas. Or greedy players who want to profit, or simply vendor a tier token belonging to some other class. But that’s another [...]

]]> By: Sarama http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/profiteering-and-the-value-of-gear/comment-page-1/#comment-1144 Sarama Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:21:41 +0000 http://www.hotsdots.com/?p=3185#comment-1144 I recently had the Edge of Ruin drop and I won the need roll. It was an upgrade for me, since I'm currently dual wielding an axe from naxx and an edge of ruin. However, there was a DK in my party that was using a blue axe. Once I realized that he was using a blue, I immediately traded it to him since it was clearly a much bigger upgrade for him. However, in the case of a battered hilt dropping, I would most certainly keep that if I won the roll and sell it... I think that's too much money for me to pass up on, and there's no garuntee that anyone in the party will actually go through with the quest and not sell it, if it's a random PUG. For nostalgia/vanity items, I think you should only be rolling if it's something you actually care about. Rolling on it and then attempting to sell it to the raid is a douche move. .-= Sarama's last blog ... <a href="http://www.bashmyfacein.com/2010/01/douche-bags-in-lookong-for-dungeon/" rel="nofollow">Douche Bags in Lookong For Dungeon</a> =-. I recently had the Edge of Ruin drop and I won the need roll. It was an upgrade for me, since I’m currently dual wielding an axe from naxx and an edge of ruin. However, there was a DK in my party that was using a blue axe.

Once I realized that he was using a blue, I immediately traded it to him since it was clearly a much bigger upgrade for him.

However, in the case of a battered hilt dropping, I would most certainly keep that if I won the roll and sell it… I think that’s too much money for me to pass up on, and there’s no garuntee that anyone in the party will actually go through with the quest and not sell it, if it’s a random PUG.

For nostalgia/vanity items, I think you should only be rolling if it’s something you actually care about. Rolling on it and then attempting to sell it to the raid is a douche move.
.-= Sarama’s last blog … Douche Bags in Lookong For Dungeon =-.

]]> By: David http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/profiteering-and-the-value-of-gear/comment-page-1/#comment-1060 David Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:03:27 +0000 http://www.hotsdots.com/?p=3185#comment-1060 Fantastic post. Very nice of you to let the guild roll for it, if all players were like you.. .-= David's last blog ... <a href="http://www.mmorpgguide.co.uk/mage-raiding" rel="nofollow">Mage – Raiding</a> =-. Fantastic post.
Very nice of you to let the guild roll for it, if all players were like you..
.-= David’s last blog … Mage – Raiding =-.

]]> By: Ungulant http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/profiteering-and-the-value-of-gear/comment-page-1/#comment-1057 Ungulant Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:06:02 +0000 http://www.hotsdots.com/?p=3185#comment-1057 Whether you were a fool to give it away or not, you couldn't have sold it to your group unless they were from your realm. That is, to put things into perspective. That being said, I, personally, am of the opinion that BoE loot in PUGs should just be rolled on. That's not because others who might use it more shouldn't have priority, but because you never know if they are going to use it themselves or not. Call my a cynic, but, that's what I think. Whether you were a fool to give it away or not, you couldn’t have sold it to your group unless they were from your realm. That is, to put things into perspective.
That being said, I, personally, am of the opinion that BoE loot in PUGs should just be rolled on. That’s not because others who might use it more shouldn’t have priority, but because you never know if they are going to use it themselves or not. Call my a cynic, but, that’s what I think.

]]> By: Natarumah http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/profiteering-and-the-value-of-gear/comment-page-1/#comment-1054 Natarumah Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:55:34 +0000 http://www.hotsdots.com/?p=3185#comment-1054 Should the battered hilt drop in an instance I am in, would I need it? I don't need the mace, can't use the sword, so I would not Need on it for myself. Well, I would not Need it to sell it - that is just plain awful (even though it happens). I may pass if it presents a clear upgrade to the people who did roll for it (sometimes a good weapon is hard to come by). But if it seemed like an equal case (meaning that people Need so they can show off Quel'Delar in Dalaran) I would Need on it too, so my little warrior can start at 80 without worrying about having to pug lower-level heroics to get a decent weapon (and for a warrior, the weapon means everything). If someone wanted to buy the hilt off me, I'd be in trouble. How could I be sure that if I offered it back for a nice price, it would not go straight to the AH for double the value? What if this person uses it for an alt instead, and I deprived my alt of its use? In the case of the T5 head, there are more ways of getting it - yes you have to run SSC/TK for it, but there are plenty peeps leveling 70-73 who gain a decent amount of XP and items from such a run. You could organize one yourself (via the realm forums for instance) and as that in return you get to keep a set of tier for your own benefit. Considering all the other loot that drops there for them, few would make a fuss out of that. .-= Natarumah's last blog ... <a href="http://twistedfaith.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/did-hell-just-freeze-over/" rel="nofollow">Did hell just freeze over?</a> =-. Should the battered hilt drop in an instance I am in, would I need it?

I don’t need the mace, can’t use the sword, so I would not Need on it for myself.

Well, I would not Need it to sell it – that is just plain awful (even though it happens). I may pass if it presents a clear upgrade to the people who did roll for it (sometimes a good weapon is hard to come by).

But if it seemed like an equal case (meaning that people Need so they can show off Quel’Delar in Dalaran) I would Need on it too, so my little warrior can start at 80 without worrying about having to pug lower-level heroics to get a decent weapon (and for a warrior, the weapon means everything).

If someone wanted to buy the hilt off me, I’d be in trouble. How could I be sure that if I offered it back for a nice price, it would not go straight to the AH for double the value? What if this person uses it for an alt instead, and I deprived my alt of its use?

In the case of the T5 head, there are more ways of getting it – yes you have to run SSC/TK for it, but there are plenty peeps leveling 70-73 who gain a decent amount of XP and items from such a run. You could organize one yourself (via the realm forums for instance) and as that in return you get to keep a set of tier for your own benefit. Considering all the other loot that drops there for them, few would make a fuss out of that.
.-= Natarumah’s last blog … Did hell just freeze over? =-.

]]> By: nadir http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/profiteering-and-the-value-of-gear/comment-page-1/#comment-1053 nadir Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:30:04 +0000 http://www.hotsdots.com/?p=3185#comment-1053 @Lath Sure, I can see that. I mean, the extreme case would be someone rolling on an item who couldn't even *equip* the thing, and then trying to sell it. Agree, not cool, unless you're doing a gdkp run. All I'm saying is you can't assume the warrior had zero interest in owning the item. Sure, I guess it's possible just would have destroyed it. But that's assuming the worst of him. If he wasn't going to destroy it, I don't think you can really fault him for rolling on it. Maybe he saw a mutually beneficial opportuny when she expressed disappointment. Doesn't seem that bad; he did when the roll after all. Would have been nice of him to just hand it over? Sure. That's probably what I would have done myself. However, I also wouldn't have been offended by his offer were I in the OP's place. (I woulda just lowballed him ;)) @Lath Sure, I can see that. I mean, the extreme case would be someone rolling on an item who couldn’t even *equip* the thing, and then trying to sell it. Agree, not cool, unless you’re doing a gdkp run.

All I’m saying is you can’t assume the warrior had zero interest in owning the item. Sure, I guess it’s possible just would have destroyed it. But that’s assuming the worst of him. If he wasn’t going to destroy it, I don’t think you can really fault him for rolling on it. Maybe he saw a mutually beneficial opportuny when she expressed disappointment. Doesn’t seem that bad; he did when the roll after all.

Would have been nice of him to just hand it over? Sure. That’s probably what I would have done myself. However, I also wouldn’t have been offended by his offer were I in the OP’s place. (I woulda just lowballed him ;) )

]]> By: Lathere http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/profiteering-and-the-value-of-gear/comment-page-1/#comment-1052 Lathere Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:54:28 +0000 http://www.hotsdots.com/?p=3185#comment-1052 @nadir I think the point here is that she didn't offer him gold and then he had to make a hard choice, <strong>HE </strong>asked her how much would she buy it for. I have no problem at all with someone who thinks about it after being offered gold and then decides, yes they do want the gold more. What I think is disappointing is when someone rolls first and then propositions after that's just plain uncool. @nadir I think the point here is that she didn’t offer him gold and then he had to make a hard choice, HE asked her how much would she buy it for. I have no problem at all with someone who thinks about it after being offered gold and then decides, yes they do want the gold more. What I think is disappointing is when someone rolls first and then propositions after that’s just plain uncool.

]]> By: nadir http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/profiteering-and-the-value-of-gear/comment-page-1/#comment-1051 nadir Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:38:45 +0000 http://www.hotsdots.com/?p=3185#comment-1051 You're making an assumption that the warrior didn't want the tier token. Maybe he really did want it, but given the choice, he'd rather have 5k gold, which he could use to buy other stuff he wanted more. If you had won the tier 5 token, and the warrior had offered you 100k gold for it, would you have turned him down? Is there really no price for whch you would part with the token? Items and gold all require time investment to acquire. It's fine if you want to give your time away, but it's not wrong to be compensated for it (e.g., accepting a payment for the hilt). In fact, it's fair. Especially in a pug situation. You’re making an assumption that the warrior didn’t want the tier token. Maybe he really did want it, but given the choice, he’d rather have 5k gold, which he could use to buy other stuff he wanted more.

If you had won the tier 5 token, and the warrior had offered you 100k gold for it, would you have turned him down? Is there really no price for whch you would part with the token?

Items and gold all require time investment to acquire. It’s fine if you want to give your time away, but it’s not wrong to be compensated for it (e.g., accepting a payment for the hilt). In fact, it’s fair. Especially in a pug situation.

]]> By: Beruthiel http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/profiteering-and-the-value-of-gear/comment-page-1/#comment-1049 Beruthiel Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:01:22 +0000 http://www.hotsdots.com/?p=3185#comment-1049 I would have been fairly insenced at the warrior as well. That is just crap. As for the hilt, I would *love* to get one for my priest, but I already know that if one drops while I'm on Beru I won't roll. It would just be terrible for me to do such a thing with such a good weapon already. In your position, though, with my alt, I'm not sure what I will do if one ever drops. You were very kind to have let the guild roll for it, and I am sure that meant a lot to them! .-= Beruthiel's last blog ... <a href="http://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/2009/12/17/berus-blogscar-vote/" rel="nofollow">Beru’s “Blogscar” Vote!</a> =-. I would have been fairly insenced at the warrior as well. That is just crap.

As for the hilt, I would *love* to get one for my priest, but I already know that if one drops while I’m on Beru I won’t roll. It would just be terrible for me to do such a thing with such a good weapon already.

In your position, though, with my alt, I’m not sure what I will do if one ever drops. You were very kind to have let the guild roll for it, and I am sure that meant a lot to them!
.-= Beruthiel’s last blog … Beru’s “Blogscar” Vote! =-.

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