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		<title>By: Improving the Quality of Conversation</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/15-things-you-should-know-about-the-dungeon-finder/comment-page-2/#comment-1347</link>
		<dc:creator>Improving the Quality of Conversation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cassandri</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/15-things-you-should-know-about-the-dungeon-finder/comment-page-2/#comment-1159</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sam It&#039;s ok, I guess you missed the part where I realised that I could have used Purge. 

&quot;In hindsight, I’m sure I’m meant to substitute the DBM terminology of Dispel for Purge, but I just totally forgot about Purge. DBM is overrated.&quot;

I have a couple of level 80 characters (Priest, Rogue and Shaman). I leveled them all. Didn&#039;t even use Refer a Friend. Reading a tooltip for Purge at level 50, 1 year ago (when I was that level) and then becoming confused in the heat of battle does not mean I bought my characters on eBay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sam It&#8217;s ok, I guess you missed the part where I realised that I could have used Purge. </p>
<p>&#8220;In hindsight, I’m sure I’m meant to substitute the DBM terminology of Dispel for Purge, but I just totally forgot about Purge. DBM is overrated.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have a couple of level 80 characters (Priest, Rogue and Shaman). I leveled them all. Didn&#8217;t even use Refer a Friend. Reading a tooltip for Purge at level 50, 1 year ago (when I was that level) and then becoming confused in the heat of battle does not mean I bought my characters on eBay.</p>
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		<title>By: Lathere</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/15-things-you-should-know-about-the-dungeon-finder/comment-page-2/#comment-1158</link>
		<dc:creator>Lathere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sam /sigh - Well I actually see it pretty differently. IMO it is arrogant know it all people like you who make the dungeon finder system awful.  

I know this is hard to believe but I actually leveled all my charactes to 80 and you know what there are 2 whole talent trees of abilities that I haven&#039;t even learned yet on my main, the druid let alone along know how to use /gasp.  Does this make me a terrible player? I say no.  Did this mean I bought my character? Um, definitely no.

I also know my sister, the one who wrote this article in a moment of frustration.  She is also the one who sits their patiently and explains to the brand new 80s in Oculus how to use the different drake abilities and marks herself and shows them where to fly.  She&#039;s the one that will only queue as DPS if an item she wants is classified more as a caster item then a healer one, so she is being fair to the other DPS in the party.   Yep we definitely don&#039;t need people like this in PUGs.....

And seriously.... who would honestly write a blog about a toon they bought? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard!

I would offer 2 alternative solutions while posting comments on blogs:
1. If you don&#039;t like what you read simply leave, we seriously don&#039;t mind
2. Don&#039;t make offensive comments about people purchasing characters, there is no purpose behind it except to be mean, which only shows to the world your an asshat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sam /sigh &#8211; Well I actually see it pretty differently. IMO it is arrogant know it all people like you who make the dungeon finder system awful.  </p>
<p>I know this is hard to believe but I actually leveled all my charactes to 80 and you know what there are 2 whole talent trees of abilities that I haven&#8217;t even learned yet on my main, the druid let alone along know how to use /gasp.  Does this make me a terrible player? I say no.  Did this mean I bought my character? Um, definitely no.</p>
<p>I also know my sister, the one who wrote this article in a moment of frustration.  She is also the one who sits their patiently and explains to the brand new 80s in Oculus how to use the different drake abilities and marks herself and shows them where to fly.  She&#8217;s the one that will only queue as DPS if an item she wants is classified more as a caster item then a healer one, so she is being fair to the other DPS in the party.   Yep we definitely don&#8217;t need people like this in PUGs&#8230;..</p>
<p>And seriously&#8230;. who would honestly write a blog about a toon they bought? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard!</p>
<p>I would offer 2 alternative solutions while posting comments on blogs:<br />
1. If you don&#8217;t like what you read simply leave, we seriously don&#8217;t mind<br />
2. Don&#8217;t make offensive comments about people purchasing characters, there is no purpose behind it except to be mean, which only shows to the world your an asshat.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/15-things-you-should-know-about-the-dungeon-finder/comment-page-2/#comment-1157</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When told to dispel renew in ToC5, you also have a spell available to your shaman called Purge. It performs the same function, but it only works offensively. Also, a paladin&#039;s Cleanse works defensively only. As such no paladin should be able to use it on a mind-controlled ally (they become hostile). 

I&#039;m disappointed that you have multiple level 80 characters and don&#039;t know this, Xata. It leaves me with the impression that you don&#039;t read what spells do as you train them or that you purchased your characters online. Refusing to grab water is silly. Ultimately you sound like one of the players that makes the dungeon finder difficult.

I would offer an alternative two things to know about the dungeon finder:
-Don&#039;t be lazy.
-Don&#039;t be in a rush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When told to dispel renew in ToC5, you also have a spell available to your shaman called Purge. It performs the same function, but it only works offensively. Also, a paladin&#8217;s Cleanse works defensively only. As such no paladin should be able to use it on a mind-controlled ally (they become hostile). </p>
<p>I&#8217;m disappointed that you have multiple level 80 characters and don&#8217;t know this, Xata. It leaves me with the impression that you don&#8217;t read what spells do as you train them or that you purchased your characters online. Refusing to grab water is silly. Ultimately you sound like one of the players that makes the dungeon finder difficult.</p>
<p>I would offer an alternative two things to know about the dungeon finder:<br />
-Don&#8217;t be lazy.<br />
-Don&#8217;t be in a rush.</p>
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		<title>By: Hound Archon</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/15-things-you-should-know-about-the-dungeon-finder/comment-page-1/#comment-1023</link>
		<dc:creator>Hound Archon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may sound strange, but my experience with dungeon finder so far has been next to stellar. I just got my Perky Pug, and out of all groups I joined only two or three were less than perfect. 

Virtually every run was as smooth as it could possibly get: &quot;Doesn&#039;t Get To Eleven&quot;? Check. &quot;Don&#039;t Look Up&quot;? Check. Not to mention a handful of speed-related achievements from other dungeons. I swear, not a single non-premade group I picked on my own server could run instances so quickly. People rushed things like madmen, and I barely kept up with them - not healing-wise, but movement-wise. 

I admit that it probably should be attributed to early rush: every raider wants to grab a handful of Emblems of Triumph and grab those few pieces of gear he had been missing. Every tank I&#039;ve had the honor to heal was ridiculously over-geared for lvl 80 heroics. 

The only exception to the above, and a dungeon where not a single pug I&#039;ve been to could complete, is Halls of Reflection. But it is a step above the heroics we&#039;ve got used to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may sound strange, but my experience with dungeon finder so far has been next to stellar. I just got my Perky Pug, and out of all groups I joined only two or three were less than perfect. </p>
<p>Virtually every run was as smooth as it could possibly get: &#8220;Doesn&#8217;t Get To Eleven&#8221;? Check. &#8220;Don&#8217;t Look Up&#8221;? Check. Not to mention a handful of speed-related achievements from other dungeons. I swear, not a single non-premade group I picked on my own server could run instances so quickly. People rushed things like madmen, and I barely kept up with them &#8211; not healing-wise, but movement-wise. </p>
<p>I admit that it probably should be attributed to early rush: every raider wants to grab a handful of Emblems of Triumph and grab those few pieces of gear he had been missing. Every tank I&#8217;ve had the honor to heal was ridiculously over-geared for lvl 80 heroics. </p>
<p>The only exception to the above, and a dungeon where not a single pug I&#8217;ve been to could complete, is Halls of Reflection. But it is a step above the heroics we&#8217;ve got used to.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/15-things-you-should-know-about-the-dungeon-finder/comment-page-1/#comment-1018</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 06:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty much my experience over the last three days and I&#039;ve run about 20 heroics (including new ICC instances) in that time.  Random LFG is ultimately going to cater to the bored player needing badges or the noob player who can&#039;t get anyone to go anywhere.

I agree with the previous comment about the quality of PUGs declining over the next few weeks.   Once players get the loot/badges they need from the newer instances you&#039;ll see a sharp decrease in quality and quantity of tanks and healers.

It&#039;s unfortunate that something that obviously took a lot of time and thought to develop is going to become last week&#039;s mutton so quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty much my experience over the last three days and I&#8217;ve run about 20 heroics (including new ICC instances) in that time.  Random LFG is ultimately going to cater to the bored player needing badges or the noob player who can&#8217;t get anyone to go anywhere.</p>
<p>I agree with the previous comment about the quality of PUGs declining over the next few weeks.   Once players get the loot/badges they need from the newer instances you&#8217;ll see a sharp decrease in quality and quantity of tanks and healers.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate that something that obviously took a lot of time and thought to develop is going to become last week&#8217;s mutton so quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandri</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/15-things-you-should-know-about-the-dungeon-finder/comment-page-1/#comment-1017</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 05:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Triptothane If you think I listed every single negative thing that happened to me you are so wrong.

None of the groups I&#039;ve been in have amazed me, although the Halls of Lightning run from the screen capture has definitely been the best so far. Have I wanted recruit anyone for my guild? Nope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Triptothane If you think I listed every single negative thing that happened to me you are so wrong.</p>
<p>None of the groups I&#8217;ve been in have amazed me, although the Halls of Lightning run from the screen capture has definitely been the best so far. Have I wanted recruit anyone for my guild? Nope.</p>
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		<title>By: Triptothane</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/15-things-you-should-know-about-the-dungeon-finder/comment-page-1/#comment-1016</link>
		<dc:creator>Triptothane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>were those any negative things that happened that you didn&#039;t list? lawl, i mean come on, why did you feel the need to dictate every experience you have? i can&#039;t remember have the screwed up pulls if i really wanted to so you must have been taking notes in the other monitor. hehe .. seriously though, it&#039;s not that bad. theres a bad apple in every bunch and you&#039;re going to find them... BUT THERE IS GOOD NEWS . .. . . you may find that dream group that makes you wish they would all pack up and come join your guild. I&#039;ve had some FANTASTIC groups with INCREDIBLE synergy and its really one of those things you just have to take with a grain of salt. i have dropped a couple groups becuase of rudeness or some other social flaw and im very patient with people. just jump in there and have fun and enjoy the free tokes!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>were those any negative things that happened that you didn&#8217;t list? lawl, i mean come on, why did you feel the need to dictate every experience you have? i can&#8217;t remember have the screwed up pulls if i really wanted to so you must have been taking notes in the other monitor. hehe .. seriously though, it&#8217;s not that bad. theres a bad apple in every bunch and you&#8217;re going to find them&#8230; BUT THERE IS GOOD NEWS . .. . . you may find that dream group that makes you wish they would all pack up and come join your guild. I&#8217;ve had some FANTASTIC groups with INCREDIBLE synergy and its really one of those things you just have to take with a grain of salt. i have dropped a couple groups becuase of rudeness or some other social flaw and im very patient with people. just jump in there and have fun and enjoy the free tokes!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dungeon Finder reactions from players(Reproduced) &#171; Juliammofans&#39; Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/15-things-you-should-know-about-the-dungeon-finder/comment-page-1/#comment-1015</link>
		<dc:creator>Dungeon Finder reactions from players(Reproduced) &#171; Juliammofans&#39; Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and Dots actually has a long take on the Dungeon Finder, including &#8220;15 Things You Should Know,&#8221; like that tanks and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TTFK</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/12/15-things-you-should-know-about-the-dungeon-finder/comment-page-1/#comment-1014</link>
		<dc:creator>TTFK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have run the random group on my 80 Shammy, 80 Bear... and my 61 Rogue.

While the rewards for non-max dungeons aren&#039;t great (Got a pair of SP gloves out of a Helpful Satchel after a Ramps run), groups seem to get together pretty quickly, at least in Outlands.   Even as DPS I never waited more than 10 minutes.  So far it has taken me to Ramps twice... and Slave Pens once, which surprisingly was little trouble.

It is also a great way to finish up those group quests sitting around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have run the random group on my 80 Shammy, 80 Bear&#8230; and my 61 Rogue.</p>
<p>While the rewards for non-max dungeons aren&#8217;t great (Got a pair of SP gloves out of a Helpful Satchel after a Ramps run), groups seem to get together pretty quickly, at least in Outlands.   Even as DPS I never waited more than 10 minutes.  So far it has taken me to Ramps twice&#8230; and Slave Pens once, which surprisingly was little trouble.</p>
<p>It is also a great way to finish up those group quests sitting around.</p>
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