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	<title>Comments on: Battleground Independence</title>
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		<title>By: Meyliendha</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/11/battleground-independence/comment-page-1/#comment-19597</link>
		<dc:creator>Meyliendha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 02:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand what you&#039;re triyng to do with the 1 hour random thing.The problem I see with that is that tanks will look at the LFD window, see that it&#039;s not &quot;tank hour&quot; and will not queue. &quot;Meh, I&#039;ll try again next hour&quot;. Same with healers.Indeed, it&#039;s a bad situation for all pure DPS classes, unless Blizzard locks people into their tanking/healing spec and removing all options to switching back to DPS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand what you&#8217;re triyng to do with the 1 hour random thing.The problem I see with that is that tanks will look at the LFD window, see that it&#8217;s not &#8220;tank hour&#8221; and will not queue. &#8220;Meh, I&#8217;ll try again next hour&#8221;. Same with healers.Indeed, it&#8217;s a bad situation for all pure DPS classes, unless Blizzard locks people into their tanking/healing spec and removing all options to switching back to DPS.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandri</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/11/battleground-independence/comment-page-1/#comment-810</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update:

I found myself as part of a long losing streak doing the daily Strand of the Ancients last night. We had so many players AFKing a mimimum of 5 from the start of the battle! I reported them. Seeing the same AFKers load in on the 2nd and 3rd games really made me mad and I started pushing others to report them over Battleground chat.

Anyway, on the 3rd match I noticed that I was Battleground Leader, so I started ... well leading. Telling people when to fall back, when we needed more at a gate, to kill vehicles (it seems obvious, but maybe it isn&#039;t?). 

And we won. With about 3 still AFK (although we&#039;d removed some of the repeat offenders).

I don&#039;t think I&#039;m an expert at Battleground strategy, but perhaps the majority of my team know less than I. Scary thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update:</p>
<p>I found myself as part of a long losing streak doing the daily Strand of the Ancients last night. We had so many players AFKing a mimimum of 5 from the start of the battle! I reported them. Seeing the same AFKers load in on the 2nd and 3rd games really made me mad and I started pushing others to report them over Battleground chat.</p>
<p>Anyway, on the 3rd match I noticed that I was Battleground Leader, so I started &#8230; well leading. Telling people when to fall back, when we needed more at a gate, to kill vehicles (it seems obvious, but maybe it isn&#8217;t?). </p>
<p>And we won. With about 3 still AFK (although we&#8217;d removed some of the repeat offenders).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m an expert at Battleground strategy, but perhaps the majority of my team know less than I. Scary thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Hafengrim</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/11/battleground-independence/comment-page-1/#comment-808</link>
		<dc:creator>Hafengrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have exactly described the reasons I stopped playing in PuG BGs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have exactly described the reasons I stopped playing in PuG BGs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/11/battleground-independence/comment-page-1/#comment-807</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you feel like you&#039;re not getting support as a healer, its most likely because you aren&#039;t  making good choices about where to position yourself.   If you know the strategic importance of whats going on, and get yourself to the battles that will have the greatest impact on outcomes, you will usually find yourself fighting next to the other people that know what they&#039;re doing.

As for playing lone ranger as a healer, if you can go into an enemy node and distract 3 or 4 of them by yourself and prevent them from reinforcing somewhere else for 15-30 critical seconds, you may as well have gone in and one-shot them all.  If you killed them all instantly, they&#039;d be sitting waiting for a rez.  If you got them to chase you to a remote corner of the map before they killed you, you&#039;ll probably be back in meaningful action before they will, and you&#039;ve effectively changed the odds somewhere else in your teams favor by 2-3 bodies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you feel like you&#8217;re not getting support as a healer, its most likely because you aren&#8217;t  making good choices about where to position yourself.   If you know the strategic importance of whats going on, and get yourself to the battles that will have the greatest impact on outcomes, you will usually find yourself fighting next to the other people that know what they&#8217;re doing.</p>
<p>As for playing lone ranger as a healer, if you can go into an enemy node and distract 3 or 4 of them by yourself and prevent them from reinforcing somewhere else for 15-30 critical seconds, you may as well have gone in and one-shot them all.  If you killed them all instantly, they&#8217;d be sitting waiting for a rez.  If you got them to chase you to a remote corner of the map before they killed you, you&#8217;ll probably be back in meaningful action before they will, and you&#8217;ve effectively changed the odds somewhere else in your teams favor by 2-3 bodies.</p>
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		<title>By: Wednesday Reading &#171; Cynwise&#39;s Battlefield Manual</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wednesday Reading &#171; Cynwise&#39;s Battlefield Manual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] probably already seen this, but Battleground Independence at the always excellent DoTs and HoTs is worth your time.  Cass asks some great questions about [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] probably already seen this, but Battleground Independence at the always excellent DoTs and HoTs is worth your time.  Cass asks some great questions about [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/11/battleground-independence/comment-page-1/#comment-805</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do BGs as a disc priest as well... I have been much more succesful in killing opposing players than it seems you have been. Its really pretty easy to wear someone who can&#039;t heal down over time, just keep SW:P and DP up constantly, holy fire on cooldown, keep shield and renew up, stop to heal whenever you go less than 75% hp, and use smite as a filler.

Also, don&#039;t forget mana burn!! Ret paladins are a great candidate for mana burning, since if your shield absorbs their judgement they don&#039;t get mana back! And, divine plea may be dispellable... I can&#039;t recall atm.

Finally, whenever I enter a BG, I first look for the plate dps with the larget HP pool/Gearscore.  Ideally, you want someone with ~30k hp, warrior is usually best, dk 2nd, and ret last. (Warrior has MS, which makes taking out those opposing healers much much easier.)

When I see someone, I&#039;ll whisper them &quot;Hi my new friend! xD&quot; They usually are like wtf?!and I&#039;m like... Do you like disco? Lol... they usually start laughing at that point and we run the whole BG together.

Failing a plate dps, look for a well geared rogue with a arena tabard, or pvp title. They probably will do well.

Finally, if you see some caster dps in like full relentless, they will prolly rock as well. (Warlock with 30k hp works fine, esp if they are affliction.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do BGs as a disc priest as well&#8230; I have been much more succesful in killing opposing players than it seems you have been. Its really pretty easy to wear someone who can&#8217;t heal down over time, just keep SW:P and DP up constantly, holy fire on cooldown, keep shield and renew up, stop to heal whenever you go less than 75% hp, and use smite as a filler.</p>
<p>Also, don&#8217;t forget mana burn!! Ret paladins are a great candidate for mana burning, since if your shield absorbs their judgement they don&#8217;t get mana back! And, divine plea may be dispellable&#8230; I can&#8217;t recall atm.</p>
<p>Finally, whenever I enter a BG, I first look for the plate dps with the larget HP pool/Gearscore.  Ideally, you want someone with ~30k hp, warrior is usually best, dk 2nd, and ret last. (Warrior has MS, which makes taking out those opposing healers much much easier.)</p>
<p>When I see someone, I&#8217;ll whisper them &#8220;Hi my new friend! xD&#8221; They usually are like wtf?!and I&#8217;m like&#8230; Do you like disco? Lol&#8230; they usually start laughing at that point and we run the whole BG together.</p>
<p>Failing a plate dps, look for a well geared rogue with a arena tabard, or pvp title. They probably will do well.</p>
<p>Finally, if you see some caster dps in like full relentless, they will prolly rock as well. (Warlock with 30k hp works fine, esp if they are affliction.)</p>
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		<title>By: Vikt</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/11/battleground-independence/comment-page-1/#comment-804</link>
		<dc:creator>Vikt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Healers are pretty synonymous with winning I think.  In the post-DK era the typical composition of an Arathi Basin tends to be 5 DK&#039;s, 3 warlocks, 2 warriors, 2 rogues, 2 enhancement shaman and a Spriest - and as a DK I often will actually tap back more hit points than anyone heals for.  For reasons as you&#039;ve stated in this post, I really can&#039;t blame healers for wanting to go dps in BG&#039;s because of the way they are ignored in PuG&#039;s.

Great post btw - I have to admit I just started reading this week but that I didn&#039;t expect to get a great PvP article like this.
.-= Vikt&#039;s last blog ... &lt;a href=&quot;http://viktdk.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/night-elf-mohawk-pt-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Night Elf Mohawk Pt. 2&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Healers are pretty synonymous with winning I think.  In the post-DK era the typical composition of an Arathi Basin tends to be 5 DK&#8217;s, 3 warlocks, 2 warriors, 2 rogues, 2 enhancement shaman and a Spriest &#8211; and as a DK I often will actually tap back more hit points than anyone heals for.  For reasons as you&#8217;ve stated in this post, I really can&#8217;t blame healers for wanting to go dps in BG&#8217;s because of the way they are ignored in PuG&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Great post btw &#8211; I have to admit I just started reading this week but that I didn&#8217;t expect to get a great PvP article like this.<br />
.-= Vikt&#8217;s last blog &#8230; <a href="http://viktdk.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/night-elf-mohawk-pt-2/" rel="nofollow">Night Elf Mohawk Pt. 2</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Zuiraa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zuiraa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friend, I feel your pain.  I can&#039;t TELL you how many times I&#039;ve been left to defend a tower as a lone discipline priest.  

One thing I can suggest, especially for alliance, is to make a helpful suggestion rather than a typical BG gripe (you &amp;*%$ noobs, tards, morons, you #@&amp;*%$ suck).   These inarticulate expressions of rage, while therapeutic, don&#039;t really tell people what they need to be doing.

A lot of people are screwing up because they don&#039;t know what the heck is going, so try saying &quot;need two on defense at MT&quot; or &quot;please don&#039;t cap unless we control middle&quot; or god help us, I can&#039;t believe it needs to be said:  &quot;please run the flag to a tower we control and not into a group of the enemy&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend, I feel your pain.  I can&#8217;t TELL you how many times I&#8217;ve been left to defend a tower as a lone discipline priest.  </p>
<p>One thing I can suggest, especially for alliance, is to make a helpful suggestion rather than a typical BG gripe (you &amp;*%$ noobs, tards, morons, you #@&amp;*%$ suck).   These inarticulate expressions of rage, while therapeutic, don&#8217;t really tell people what they need to be doing.</p>
<p>A lot of people are screwing up because they don&#8217;t know what the heck is going, so try saying &#8220;need two on defense at MT&#8221; or &#8220;please don&#8217;t cap unless we control middle&#8221; or god help us, I can&#8217;t believe it needs to be said:  &#8220;please run the flag to a tower we control and not into a group of the enemy&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Eldryn</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/11/battleground-independence/comment-page-1/#comment-801</link>
		<dc:creator>Eldryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keels said, &quot;When I’m playing one of my healers alone in a BG I’ll just pick a DPS and follow it around.&quot;

Funny thing is when I&#039;m playing my hunter I pick a healer and follow them around. It really keeps the deaths to a minimum in the lvl 80 BGs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keels said, &#8220;When I’m playing one of my healers alone in a BG I’ll just pick a DPS and follow it around.&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny thing is when I&#8217;m playing my hunter I pick a healer and follow them around. It really keeps the deaths to a minimum in the lvl 80 BGs.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandri</title>
		<link>http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/11/battleground-independence/comment-page-1/#comment-799</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paulio I broke my EoTS losing streak (going strong for about 5 days - but I dont BG every day) just before posting this. I was amazed at how poorly my team performed each time. I kept checking the BG screen to make sure we weren&#039;t up against a premade. Why were they so organised? Why were we so... not? And even when it was 2 vs 2 at a tower we&#039;d just lose. The overall skill and gear of the other side just seemed much higher.

I don&#039;t get it. Alliance used to kick ass at Eye of the Storm in BC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paulio I broke my EoTS losing streak (going strong for about 5 days &#8211; but I dont BG every day) just before posting this. I was amazed at how poorly my team performed each time. I kept checking the BG screen to make sure we weren&#8217;t up against a premade. Why were they so organised? Why were we so&#8230; not? And even when it was 2 vs 2 at a tower we&#8217;d just lose. The overall skill and gear of the other side just seemed much higher.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get it. Alliance used to kick ass at Eye of the Storm in BC.</p>
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