Comments on: All the Colours of the Rainbow: Dungeon Groups 101 http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/10/all-the-colours-of-the-rainbow-dungeon-groups-101/ A Restoration Druid and Shadow Priest Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:49:05 +1000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Niniel http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/10/all-the-colours-of-the-rainbow-dungeon-groups-101/comment-page-1/#comment-758 Niniel Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:26:35 +0000 http://www.hotsdots.com/?p=2356#comment-758 Great post! I feel all nostalgic now! :) Great post! I feel all nostalgic now! :)

]]> By: Cassandri http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/10/all-the-colours-of-the-rainbow-dungeon-groups-101/comment-page-1/#comment-746 Cassandri Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:26:18 +0000 http://www.hotsdots.com/?p=2356#comment-746 @Slik I think the cross-server LFM will definitely help you a group if you've been struggling to get numbers. Remember even if you do make a mistake or look like a noob, is that so bad? Everyone else in the group will be making mistakes, too, I guarantee it. @Slik I think the cross-server LFM will definitely help you a group if you’ve been struggling to get numbers. Remember even if you do make a mistake or look like a noob, is that so bad? Everyone else in the group will be making mistakes, too, I guarantee it.

]]> By: SlikRX/Balthazario http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/10/all-the-colours-of-the-rainbow-dungeon-groups-101/comment-page-1/#comment-745 SlikRX/Balthazario Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:25:24 +0000 http://www.hotsdots.com/?p=2356#comment-745 I'm the person who made the quote Cass listed above: "I am absolutely scared to death about my first group run. As of now... " That was me in response to another thread over at Righteous Orbs. For me, it's a more social type fear. It's not that I don't know my class (ret-pal) and how to do my job. Even at level 75 I can put out 1,400+ DPS on same level mobs, and nearly 1,000 on +3 level mobs. (at least as long as I remember my wings, rememeber to keep the rotation, not stand in fire, yada yada yada... lol) The problem for me & my other half is simply trying to find a group to play with. Most actively recruiting guilds are semi-serious about raiding. (we aren't/won't be, we don't have the time) And the thought of having my first (& second, third, etc) radis/instances being pugs makes my teeth itch. Also, if you aren't level 80, trying to find ANY groups is a challenge. It's like being 16 and moving to a new school; I know my math, I know my english and I know my science, BUT I don't want to look like an doofus, not knowing *where* to go, not knowing who to talk to, where to stand, etc. It's fear of the unknown more than anything. And yes, fear of looking like a fool. Cheers, and nice write up! .-= SlikRX/Balthazario's last blog ... <a href="http://bang-n-blame.blogspot.com/2009/11/to-all-my-friends-in-low-places.html" rel="nofollow">To All My Friends in Low Places</a> =-. I’m the person who made the quote Cass listed above:

“I am absolutely scared to death about my first group run. As of now… ”

That was me in response to another thread over at Righteous Orbs.

For me, it’s a more social type fear. It’s not that I don’t know my class (ret-pal) and how to do my job. Even at level 75 I can put out 1,400+ DPS on same level mobs, and nearly 1,000 on +3 level mobs. (at least as long as I remember my wings, rememeber to keep the rotation, not stand in fire, yada yada yada… lol)

The problem for me & my other half is simply trying to find a group to play with. Most actively recruiting guilds are semi-serious about raiding. (we aren’t/won’t be, we don’t have the time) And the thought of having my first (& second, third, etc) radis/instances being pugs makes my teeth itch. Also, if you aren’t level 80, trying to find ANY groups is a challenge.

It’s like being 16 and moving to a new school; I know my math, I know my english and I know my science, BUT I don’t want to look like an doofus, not knowing *where* to go, not knowing who to talk to, where to stand, etc. It’s fear of the unknown more than anything. And yes, fear of looking like a fool.

Cheers, and nice write up!
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]]> By: Cassandri http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/10/all-the-colours-of-the-rainbow-dungeon-groups-101/comment-page-1/#comment-710 Cassandri Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:48:33 +0000 http://www.hotsdots.com/?p=2356#comment-710 @Nasir Old Kingdom is a bit of a maze, especially at the start where you can go two different ways to reach the first boss. From there to the second boss is quite straightforward. But you can do the last 3 bosses (mushroom man, the chick with the devoted subjects and the insanity "last" boss) in any order. Tip: Up til first boss always kill off the Spellflinger spiders ASAP. Azjol Nerub is much more straightforward when it comes to figuring out where to go and what to pull. But the first couple bosses are more like events. Stuff comes at you in waves and you have to just wait it out til you can attack the boss. Tip: The Skirmisher spiders cannot be taunted or have weird aggro so kill them off ASAP. We should totally just run these dungeons together some time! Say the word and I'll put on my healing gear... @Nasir Old Kingdom is a bit of a maze, especially at the start where you can go two different ways to reach the first boss. From there to the second boss is quite straightforward. But you can do the last 3 bosses (mushroom man, the chick with the devoted subjects and the insanity “last” boss) in any order. Tip: Up til first boss always kill off the Spellflinger spiders ASAP.

Azjol Nerub is much more straightforward when it comes to figuring out where to go and what to pull. But the first couple bosses are more like events. Stuff comes at you in waves and you have to just wait it out til you can attack the boss. Tip: The Skirmisher spiders cannot be taunted or have weird aggro so kill them off ASAP.

We should totally just run these dungeons together some time! Say the word and I’ll put on my healing gear…

]]> By: Nasir http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/10/all-the-colours-of-the-rainbow-dungeon-groups-101/comment-page-1/#comment-706 Nasir Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:44:04 +0000 http://www.hotsdots.com/?p=2356#comment-706 Fantastic post, I love it. I find it really difficult doing new content as a tank. I clear toc10 every week and we're 2/5 htoc10 but I am hesitant as a tank to do the daily heroic when is azjol nerub or old kingdom, just because I don't know the content very well. As a tank people expect not only that you know your own class, but that you know how to mark up targets, know the abilities of mobs (who's a caster, which one heals etc), the boss strategies but also (the one I struggle with in AN) which bloody way to go! Coming up through the levels I was asked to heal an instance (which I have embarassingly forgotten the name of, possilbly crypts) and I died to the shadow aura from the boss which lead to me getting lol'd at, humiliatingly and abused. I respecced heals for the run and respecced back to prot promptly after leaving the group to find another healer. I think there is a great deal of people that have a crappy story like this but the best advice I can give to someone in wotlk is simple advice: "hey guys, pretty new to this instance and don't really know where to go or what to do, so if someone could give me a heads up if there is anything I need to know that'd be awesome". Very rarely will anyone be annoyed enough to boot you and if they are then it's probably better for u, because they likely would have abused u anyway. Also, be aware if ur own level of skill n gear. Using the example from above, it can be quite difficult carrying 1k dps through heroic instances and even more difficult carrying undergeared heals. Sorry, my comment turned into a blog, one I should actually be writtimg right now. Love the site. Peace!! .-= Nasir's last blog ... <a href="http://unrealrealities.com/?p=608" rel="nofollow">We’re live in 5…4…3..</a> =-. Fantastic post, I love it. I find it really difficult doing new content as a tank. I clear toc10 every week and we’re 2/5 htoc10 but I am hesitant as a tank to do the daily heroic when is azjol nerub or old kingdom, just because I don’t know the content very well. As a tank people expect not only that you know your own class, but that you know how to mark up targets, know the abilities of mobs (who’s a caster, which one heals etc), the boss strategies but also (the one I struggle with in AN) which bloody way to go!

Coming up through the levels I was asked to heal an instance (which I have embarassingly forgotten the name of, possilbly crypts) and I died to the shadow aura from the boss which lead to me getting lol’d at, humiliatingly and abused. I respecced heals for the run and respecced back to prot promptly after leaving the group to find another healer. I think there is a great deal of people that have a crappy story like this but the best advice I can give to someone in wotlk is simple advice:
“hey guys, pretty new to this instance and don’t really know where to go or what to do, so if someone could give me a heads up if there is anything I need to know that’d be awesome”.
Very rarely will anyone be annoyed enough to boot you and if they are then it’s probably better for u, because they likely would have abused u anyway. Also, be aware if ur own level of skill n gear. Using the example from above, it can be quite difficult carrying 1k dps through heroic instances and even more difficult carrying undergeared heals.
Sorry, my comment turned into a blog, one I should actually be writtimg right now.
Love the site. Peace!!
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]]> By: Cassandri http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/10/all-the-colours-of-the-rainbow-dungeon-groups-101/comment-page-1/#comment-649 Cassandri Tue, 03 Nov 2009 03:24:16 +0000 http://www.hotsdots.com/?p=2356#comment-649 @Alexis That's definitely a much better idea than getting a level 80 to run you through! Bet you learned a hell of a lot more about your character by playing that way too. @ Andy I'm sure you are reading the situation just fine. I guess what I was trying to say is that there have been a few players who I thought were asking me for advice, but when I offered it, became stand-offish (if that's even a word). Makes me hesitate to offer advice now unless the person asks me a specific question. @Alexis That’s definitely a much better idea than getting a level 80 to run you through! Bet you learned a hell of a lot more about your character by playing that way too.

@ Andy I’m sure you are reading the situation just fine. I guess what I was trying to say is that there have been a few players who I thought were asking me for advice, but when I offered it, became stand-offish (if that’s even a word). Makes me hesitate to offer advice now unless the person asks me a specific question.

]]> By: Alexis http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/10/all-the-colours-of-the-rainbow-dungeon-groups-101/comment-page-1/#comment-648 Alexis Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:50:02 +0000 http://www.hotsdots.com/?p=2356#comment-648 It can help a lot to have experience guildies run with you on their appropriate level alts. I mean, they could run you through but whats the fun of that? But my first 5-man (well, we ran it as a 4-man) was Deadmines with my boyfriends' paly, my shammy (my main), and our friends' priest and rogue alts. My friend was playing an appropriate level shadow priest so I got to practice healing without being too anxious to think, because if i ran out of mana or got distracted dropping totems she could drop a heal for me. I've gotten a lot more confident in healing and such and its nice to have guildies and friends who know what they're doing. (Not to mention my bf and I duo, and being able to LFM with a tank and a heal makes it easy to find moer!) It can help a lot to have experience guildies run with you on their appropriate level alts. I mean, they could run you through but whats the fun of that? But my first 5-man (well, we ran it as a 4-man) was Deadmines with my boyfriends’ paly, my shammy (my main), and our friends’ priest and rogue alts. My friend was playing an appropriate level shadow priest so I got to practice healing without being too anxious to think, because if i ran out of mana or got distracted dropping totems she could drop a heal for me. I’ve gotten a lot more confident in healing and such and its nice to have guildies and friends who know what they’re doing. (Not to mention my bf and I duo, and being able to LFM with a tank and a heal makes it easy to find moer!)

]]> By: Andy O. http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/10/all-the-colours-of-the-rainbow-dungeon-groups-101/comment-page-1/#comment-644 Andy O. Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:10:31 +0000 http://www.hotsdots.com/?p=2356#comment-644 Thanks for this, I'm still uncomfortable running PUGs, and I can run (with a fair amount of success) heroic level dungeons, but it's embarrassing as hell to ask for help or when someone who's observant asks you what you're doing when they assume you've been there, done that. The advice about telling people you're a little unsure about the run ahead of time helps. I usually put Newbie in the LFG comment, or just tell the guy who offers me a group that i've never run some of these dungeons. It's embarrassing, but occasionally you meet someone who's cool and takes you through like 4-5 runs in a few short hours and hand holds you the whole way. Makes it awesome. So thanks for writting this, it is appreciated. -Corney @ Ner'Zhul Thanks for this, I’m still uncomfortable running PUGs, and I can run (with a fair amount of success) heroic level dungeons, but it’s embarrassing as hell to ask for help or when someone who’s observant asks you what you’re doing when they assume you’ve been there, done that.

The advice about telling people you’re a little unsure about the run ahead of time helps. I usually put Newbie in the LFG comment, or just tell the guy who offers me a group that i’ve never run some of these dungeons.

It’s embarrassing, but occasionally you meet someone who’s cool and takes you through like 4-5 runs in a few short hours and hand holds you the whole way. Makes it awesome. So thanks for writting this, it is appreciated.

-Corney @ Ner’Zhul

]]> By: nikobe http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/10/all-the-colours-of-the-rainbow-dungeon-groups-101/comment-page-1/#comment-643 nikobe Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:56:27 +0000 http://www.hotsdots.com/?p=2356#comment-643 I've been playing wow since launch and love leveling & questing (weird I know) and only really enter dungeons or raids when I'm with guildies or friends. My fears of pugging are mainly 1 & 3 in the arcticle but I've recently started to get better. One way I've found to help is say you have a newly dinged 80 (for this example a tank) with crafted/quest gear join the looking for group on the lower level dungeons, say the 71-79 range of normal dungeons and either tank the lowest level dungeons to get your confidence up and get some blue pure tank gear in the mean time. Then just work your way up through the dungeons till your nicely geared and experienced enough to face the heriocs with random people. You'll know the dungeons inside out by then as you will have blasted through them as an 80 (bet the lower level people will love having you there). .-= nikobe's last blog ... <a href="http://www.biggiantrobots.com/computing/the-path-less-treveled/" rel="nofollow">The path less treveled</a> =-. I’ve been playing wow since launch and love leveling & questing (weird I know) and only really enter dungeons or raids when I’m with guildies or friends. My fears of pugging are mainly 1 & 3 in the arcticle but I’ve recently started to get better. One way I’ve found to help is say you have a newly dinged 80 (for this example a tank) with crafted/quest gear join the looking for group on the lower level dungeons, say the 71-79 range of normal dungeons and either tank the lowest level dungeons to get your confidence up and get some blue pure tank gear in the mean time. Then just work your way up through the dungeons till your nicely geared and experienced enough to face the heriocs with random people. You’ll know the dungeons inside out by then as you will have blasted through them as an 80 (bet the lower level people will love having you there).
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]]> By: Ollie http://www.hotsdots.com/2009/10/all-the-colours-of-the-rainbow-dungeon-groups-101/comment-page-1/#comment-641 Ollie Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:36:42 +0000 http://www.hotsdots.com/?p=2356#comment-641 @Cassandri Please make no mistake, I was talking about intervening when so called experienced players start giving people crap when they just don't know any better. For example I was in ToC HC today and we were struggling with dps. The lowest was a hunter doing less than 1k. I could tell the tank was getting very pissed of with a couple of wipes (he was whispering me about the hunter and healer). When we did finally complete it I decided to pre-emptively intervene before people started laying into him. Since I'm also a hunter and it wasn't long ago I was at his level. I was able to point him in the direction of some serious immediate upgrades, I even made the Ice Striker's Cloak for him. When helping a sub-performer I've found that the clincher is in the opening line. For example: "Dude, your DPS sucks. Please do everyone a favour and don't come back here until you are doing about 2k", tends to put some people in a foul mood. Where as: "Hey, you might want to work a little on your DPS before you come back here. Also I had a look at your gear and I have some time right now if you want a hand with upgrades". There is a big difference between being constructively critical and being plain rude. @Cassandri Please make no mistake, I was talking about intervening when so called experienced players start giving people crap when they just don’t know any better.

For example I was in ToC HC today and we were struggling with dps. The lowest was a hunter doing less than 1k. I could tell the tank was getting very pissed of with a couple of wipes (he was whispering me about the hunter and healer). When we did finally complete it I decided to pre-emptively intervene before people started laying into him. Since I’m also a hunter and it wasn’t long ago I was at his level. I was able to point him in the direction of some serious immediate upgrades, I even made the Ice Striker’s Cloak for him.

When helping a sub-performer I’ve found that the clincher is in the opening line. For example: “Dude, your DPS sucks. Please do everyone a favour and don’t come back here until you are doing about 2k”, tends to put some people in a foul mood. Where as: “Hey, you might want to work a little on your DPS before you come back here. Also I had a look at your gear and I have some time right now if you want a hand with upgrades”.

There is a big difference between being constructively critical and being plain rude.

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