Over the last few weeks raid attendance to our 25 man progression nights has been abysmal. Vitare, our guild, is progressing reasonably well (2/5 ToGC 25 man) even though we’re only putting in, at the most, 1 night per week doing 25s.
We’re coping with our poor turn out as best we can by recruiting DPS like crazy.
Sadly we still haven’t managed to find a Boomkin even though we’ve been looking for one for months now. I swear guilds keep these poor crit turkeys caged and never let them out – when was the last time you saw one in the wild, guildless and alone?
Occasionally we’ll see one exceptional applicant (melee dps, of course). But the overwhelming majority of our applicants in the last few weeks have been bad and/or teenagers. I’m praying school holidays will end soon.
The funniest thing is that, when asked “what age are you?”, these teenage applicants always go on to assert that their age “isn’t a problem”. Since when did they get to make that judgment? I don’t know.Teenagers are not in control of their own lives or their own schedules. If you think that your age isn’t a problem, you’re crazy.
I am ageist. I know. I don’t like school kids in raids I wish they would go form their own disorganised e-peen guilds somewhere far away from the rest of us and stay there.
I became ageist during Burning Crusade when I held the unenviable position of Guild Leader of a casual raiding guild. I am an Admin Nazi and I couldn’t help but approach the responsibilities of running a guild in any other way except, well, business-like. For a casual, next-to-no-expectations guild, it ran well.
However, I couldn’t single-handedly stop all the guild drama. From my experience 99% of these problems and incidents were caused by the teenagers member of the guild. They seriously couldn’t see alternative points of view outside their own self centered world and believed that the other 24 raiders should all put everything on hold and do whatever was necessary to fit into what they wanted and make them happy. When things didn’t happen to suit them I would be told that it was “unfair”. What they really meant was that it was “unfair” that they didn’t get want they wanted, when they wanted it.
Aside from that there were the other general, annoying, on-going teenage issues including:
- Afk-ing at completely unpredictable, random times to eat dinner
- not being able to raid past 10pm and on some nights having to log off much earlier than expected with nearly zero notice
- loot distribution rage
- spotty attendance unless it was school holidays
So we’ve ended up with quite a few new raiders whom we might not have otherwise accepted (we admit it, we’re desperate), many are teenagers, and none of them seem to get how a serious, organised raiding guild operates.
Even if you’re not sure what your new guild expects, follow these rules and your chances of pissing off the leadership will be significantly reduced.
1. Be Available
Perfect: Turn up for every single raid night during your trial period. Be online and on vent approximately 30 minutes before every raid and be ready at the summoning stone 10 minutes before the official start time to help summon.
Acceptable: Turn up to every single raid night and let an officer know in advance of any raids you can’t attend. Be online 10 minutes before start time and be in the instance by raid start.
Not Acceptable: Turning up occasionally or only on loot train raid nights. Logging online late and asking in guild chat if there is space in the raid for you. Asking for a summon to the raid instance because flying there yourself is just so difficult.
2. Bring Consumables and Off Spec Gear
Perfect: Bring with you enough flasks, reagents, buff food and potions to last the entire raid. Bring Fish Feasts and put them out after a wipe. Bringing multiple gear sets in case the raid required you to change spec for different encounters.
Acceptable: Bring flasks and buff food to last the entire raid.
Not Acceptable: Not buying flasks, or not buying enough, because they are too expensive at the moment. Expecting someone to place down a Fish Feast for you because you didn’t bring your own food. Not buffing because you forgot to buy reagents. Not having enough bag space to carry your off spec gear forcing everyone to wait for you to Hearth back to Dalaran to get it from the bank and then get a summon back to the instance before the next attempt can be tried.
3. Repair when the Raid Does
Perfect: Repair before coming to raid. Know where the closest repairer is to the raid instance. Repair when you see other raid members repairing, too. Repair quickly enough that the raid doesn’t even know you were gone. If someone provides a Repair Bot repair even if you think you don’t need to. Bring repair bots or Jeeves to the raid if you are an Engineer.
Acceptable: Repair before coming to raid. Let an officer know you have to repair if items go yellow and then head straight to the closest repairer.
Not Acceptable: Forgetting to repair before a raid. Not knowing where the nearest repairer is. Holding up the entire raid by going to repair after a Readycheck. Asking for someone to drop a repair bot.
4. Don’t AFK
Perfect: Don’t go AFK during the raid unless its an official break time. If the raid leader calls a 5 minute break, be back and ready to go in 5 minutes.
Acceptable: If you need to use the bathroom or go get a drink, let an officer know. Flag yourself /afk. Come back quickly.
Not Acceptable: Going AFK within a moments notice to eat dinner or make a phone call. If it means 24 other people are sitting around twiddling their thumbs while you take care of things it’s NOT ok. Saying Yes to a Readycheck when you aren’t actually ready.
Extra Comments: If you are a teenager and your parents make you eat dinner with them at a set time each night, make sure you declare that on your application. If you have to eat dinner with your family at some changeable time each night, frankly, I don’t think you should sign up with a raiding guild that raids during your dinner time at all.
5. Don’t Expect Loot
Perfect: Read up on how your new guild distributes loot and ask any questions prior to your first raid.
Acceptable: Have no idea how loot is handled, keep quiet and watch and learn during your first raid.
Not Acceptable: Ask for items or bidding on drops even though you don’t know how much DKP you have earnt yet. Getting upset when you find out that new recruits don’t get any priority on loot.
6. Speak Clearly and Concisely
Perfect: Do not chit-chat on Vent. When asked a question, or given a specific task respond clearly over vent and use your character’s name. Eg “This is Majical. You want me to sheep moon? No problem.”
Acceptable: Say nothing over Vent and respond to questions or accept assignments by typing in Raid chat instead. Accept assignments over Vent without identifying yourself. Eg “Ok, I’ll sheep moon.” Asking additional questions about the fight, or what is required of you.
Not Acceptable: Offering unwanted advice of any kind. “Why would you do that? In my last guild we just…” Not responding to assignments or instructions at all.
7. Know the Fight and Don’t Die
Perfect: Find out before raid what bosses will be attempted that night. Check to see if there is a particular strategy that they would like you to read/watch before you actually turn up to the raid. Notify the Raid Leader as your new guild approachs a boss fight you have not yet experienced first hand. Move out of the fire immediately.
Acceptable: Know your new guild’s raid progression. Watch strategy videos of any fights you are unfamiliar with, spending time familiarising yourself with strategies on how to defeat the fights your new guild is working on. Move out of the fire immediately.
Unacceptable: Attend the raid without doing any research. Pretend that you know what to do when asked. Die to fire.
8. Be Polite
Perfect: Say thank you when you are invited to a raid. Say thank you when the raid is called for the night. Take notice of any raid member who goes out of their way to help you, even if it is just to answer your questions, and be grateful.
Acceptable: Do not thank anyone. Do not offend anyone.
Not Acceptable: Blame another raid member for wiping the raid or causing you to die. Justify that you died from “lack of heals”. Complain when you die. Insult another player. Make snide comments in Guild Chat if you do not get an invitation to a raid.
If all of this seems like too much effort or is too hard for you, then raiding in a progression guild is not going to be your cup of tea. I strongly suggest redefining your goals and choosing a casual guild that will be much more lenient to your needs.